[NSRCA-discussion] Removing FAI F from local contests

Wed Jul 19 12:47:58 AKDT 2017

And sometimes he would fly them wrong to test who caught it!

From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jon Lowe via NSRCA-discussion
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Removing FAI F from local contests

One other thing to consider is judging.  If local contests don't fly F, judges will never see it unless they are at the NATS, and thus will not know for several flights what they are looking at. That is not the time to first expose judges to new F patterns.  Even unknowns are often less complex than F's.  I remember the first time Jason practice flew F17 in front of John Fuqua and I at the end of 2015.  At the end of the flight, we just looked at each other and shook our heads. We really didn't know how to score several of the maneuvers, because they were very complex and in some cases completely different from anything we had seen before.

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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Removing FAI F from local contests

Right…

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From: Scott McHarg <mailto:scmcharg at gmail.com> 
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Removing FAI F from local contests

Rick,

He did say that one decent means they wouldn't fly F but I agree, I wouldn't want to be "that guy" that said no when all the rest wanted to fly F.

Scott

Scott A. McHarg

VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S. Research Pilot

Texas A&M University

PPL - ASEL

Remote Pilot Certified Under FAA Part 107

On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 2:34 PM, rixsweeney--- via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

Then you can bet, not one Masters flyer will consider moving to FAI to fly P if they know a vote could force them to fly F.  

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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Removing FAI F from local contests

As a CD, I will not offer F to be flown unless everyone flying FAI agrees to flying it. Period! One decent, means no. That is the way it should be done on a local level.

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To: DaveL322; General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Removing FAI F from local contests 

The options for F3A being discussed are available to the CD for any contest, decide what the local folks want and announce it beforehand as per the rules. No reason to “legislate” the F sequence away, I suspect that the F3A pilots in the Gulf Coast D6 region (average of 6 for 12 contests, high of 8 & low of 3) would rather fly all F. Certainly a larger range of scores and easier to differentiate. For those uncomfortable with taking on F (real skill builder), then Masters is probably best for them – whatever sequence they hammer out.

It wasn’t that long ago that Masters was a huge class. Where’d everyone go? Life changes? Dissatisfied with sequences? Pretty sure very few moved to F3A which had a much shorter P sequence than Masters and F wasn’t all that tough.

BTW – humble brag – my son Lester made the 2018 F2D WC Team last weekend. Interesting that those folks have 32 entries in their TS. 

Earl

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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Removing FAI F from local contests

Allow F as an option for rounds 5 and 6 and you get the best of both worlds with the benefit of making it easier to separate top F3A flyers when more than one is at a local contest, which is not uncommon in some parts of the US. 

Regards,

Dave

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Date: 7/19/17 11:44 AM (GMT-05:00) 

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Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Removing FAI F from local contests 

Perhaps removing FAI F from local contests would solve a few issues discussed on this list:

1.	Current Masters flyers who are advocating for the Masters schedules to adopt FAI P as the Masters schedule could just move up and fly FAI knowing they will not be required to fly the F pattern. That makes them happy. 
2.	Current Masters flyers who think adopting FAI P is a bad idea can rest easy as nbr #1 above takes FAI P for Masters off the table. 
3.	Current FAI flyers who have no one to compete against at local contests because of F,  will now have a few competitors that will undoubtedly move up.   
4.	If even one or two Masters flyers move up it will ease the judging issue. 
5.	If FAI guys that want to get some F practice for the NATS or Worlds, they can accomplish that at the practice field, and or another option…A CD could optionally add some F demo flights during a contest and have Masters and FAI guys judge and score them. These would be demos and would not count as a contest flight but allows FAI F guys to get some judging exposure. I have no doubt some of the FAI guys who don’t fly F would be willing to Judge the one or two FAI F guys or even a few Masters flyers. These F demo flights could be flown at days end on either day or however a CD wants to fit them in. Lunch break perhaps.  

I know first hand that a few FAI guys insist on flying F at local contests so they get judging exposure and as a result they have no one to play with.  

For this to work, all CD’s in all districts would need to adopt removing F from all local events. I am seeing many benefits to flying P only, locally. 

Rick

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