[NSRCA-discussion] Removing FAI F from local contests

[Jas S]

I used to push for F being flown in District 3. After 2 years of very few contests because no one flies F3A I'm game for P only F3A in D3. Back when it was only P locally, I would fly F on Sundays and either just 0 the rounds or have my scores put on the P sheets. I don't recall it making a difference in results, but for everyone it worked out well. We had more F3A competitors and I (and a few others) got to fly F and get scored.

Jas iP

> On Jul 19, 2017, at 2:14 PM, DaveL322 via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
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> Dave B, 
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> You are correct in that Sunday may not be equal in the sense of dissimilar patterns being flown, but the disadvantage goes to the guys that choose to fly F.  Realistically, a lot of contests are over after 4 rounds, and if they are not  the top couple guys that choose to fly F are not going to be surpassed by those that stick with P. 
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> It will very rarely result in a change in placements.  But it will allow the top guys to practice F and get feedback, as well as expose others to judging F. 
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> Subject: RE: [NSRCA-discussion] Removing FAI F from local contests
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> Dave, I'm not in favor of two formats for an FAI class. You would have some FAI contestants flying  P competing against  some flying F on Sunday. To me that's not a contest where all are flying equal rounds. That was offered to me as an option at a few contest while I was still flying FAI and flying 2-3 meaningless rounds of P on Sunday was not appealing.
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> I guess if this was easy we would have figured it out a long time ago.
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> Allow F as an option for rounds 5 and 6 and you get the best of both worlds with the benefit of making it easier to separate top F3A flyers when more than one is at a local contest, which is not uncommon in some parts of the US. 
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> From: rixsweeney--- via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
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> Date: 7/19/17 11:44 AM (GMT-05:00)
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> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Removing FAI F from local contests
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> Perhaps removing FAI F from local contests would solve a few issues discussed on this list:
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> Current Masters flyers who are advocating for the Masters schedules to adopt FAI P as the Masters schedule could just move up and fly FAI knowing they will not be required to fly the F pattern. That makes them happy.
> Current Masters flyers who think adopting FAI P is a bad idea can rest easy as nbr #1 above takes FAI P for Masters off the table.
> Current FAI flyers who have no one to compete against at local contests because of F,  will now have a few competitors that will undoubtedly move up.  
> If even one or two Masters flyers move up it will ease the judging issue.
> If FAI guys that want to get some F practice for the NATS or Worlds, they can accomplish that at the practice field, and or another option…A CD could optionally add some F demo flights during a contest and have Masters and FAI guys judge and score them. These would be demos and would not count as a contest flight but allows FAI F guys to get some judging exposure. I have no doubt some of the FAI guys who don’t fly F would be willing to Judge the one or two FAI F guys or even a few Masters flyers. These F demo flights could be flown at days end on either day or however a CD wants to fit them in. Lunch break perhaps.  
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> I know first hand that a few FAI guys insist on flying F at local contests so they get judging exposure and as a result they have no one to play with.  
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> For this to work, all CD’s in all districts would need to adopt removing F from all local events. I am seeing many benefits to flying P only, locally.
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