[NSRCA-discussion] Please make sure your NSRCA profile e-mail address is up to date!

Tue Jul 18 18:00:52 AKDT 2017

Gordon,

Well said.  I agree 100%.  Thanks for sharing your positive view.

Vicente "Vince" Bortone

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 8:50 PM Gordon Anderson via NSRCA-discussion <
nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

> I joined the NARSA as soon as I started flying pattern and I am proud of
> the organization and what it has done and is doing for pattern. The
> organization may not be perfect but no organization is perfect. Someone
> said pattern would continue without the NSRCA, I don’t think that is true
> here in D8. The DVP in our district is the focal point of pattern and one
> of the huge efforts he does is to manage the pattern contest schedule by
> working with all the CDs, not an easy job and Pat Harris our current DVP is
> doing a great job as did Rex Lesher before him. Our DVPs work hard to keep
> the season running by reaching out to the community throughout the season
> he, does this without treating members any different than non-members.
>
> The fact that NSRCA is “blind" to membership in many of the services it
> provides shows great leadership, in my opinion. That said I would hope all
> pattern fliers would see this benefit and join. The organization is small
> and if you have better ideas how to run the organization then run for
> office.
>
> Personally I would like to hear from all pattern fliers on the survey.
>
> —Gordon, D8
>
> On Jul 18, 2017, at 6:30 PM, Ron Hansen via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
> Scott,
>
> I would assume everyone who is a NSRCA member or who is following this
> list is a pretty serious pattern flyer.
>
> Why do we want anyone’s opinion that is not an NSRCA member especially on
> these topics?  Now, growing pattern maybe a different story.
>
> Do we want someone chiming in on our affairs when they have never competed?
>
> Do we want someone’s survey who is on RCU, RCG or just an ordinary AMA
> member, I think not.
>
> I say don’t worry about the few who think every RC pilot should have a
> voice in these matters.
>
> *From:* Scott McHarg [mailto:scmcharg at gmail.com <scmcharg at gmail.com>]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 18, 2017 9:22 PM
> *To:* Patternpilot One
> *Cc:* Dave Burton; Ron Hansen; General pattern discussion
> *Subject:* RE: [NSRCA-discussion] Please make sure your NSRCA profile
> e-mail address is up to date!
>
> Some of your points are correct but somehow you're missing the fact that
> the BoD is reaching out to as many as can be reached.  The goal here is to
> have people sign up on the website, not to be members of the NSRCA,
> although preferable, but to have a database of emails so that they can be
> sent the survey. You don't have to be a member to sign up on the site.
> That's the whole thing. They said they're trying to reach out to all
> including the forums but yet that's not good enough. I don't get it.
>
> On Jul 18, 2017 8:12 PM, "Patternpilot One" <patternpilot1 at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Scott,
>
> I do understand how hard it is to run an organization.. I'm just saying if
> you are wanting to get a true reading of the pattern pilots you need to
> talk to them all, not just a select few who are members of a AMA Sig.
> All pattern pilots should have a voice from all classes and districts.
> This is a sport for some and a hobby for others and you should not have to
> fly a dozen flights a week to stay competitive unless your on the
> international pattern circuit.
> Planes have become to pattern dependant and cost way over the top. How can
> a father and son come out and try a pattern contest in sportsman competing
> against a $3,000 composite aircraft. This is a major factor as well as the
> patterns have become much harder for the average sport flier to jump in and
> try pattern.  I understand each AMA class is a stepping stone for the next
> and masters is the top before FAI.  But maybe adopt the KISS system and
> patterns.
>
> Some major points I see need help.
>
> So how do you increase pilots to try pattern and keep them?
>
> Patterns and aircraft.. planes these days look like pregnant guppies and
> or sharks with all their fins.  Again pattern dependant. If that is what is
> needed for the few % competing at the international level fine, but not
> everything needs to trickle down to the average or above-average pilot.
> If patterns did not dictate the planes more kits or ARF's at a reasonable
> cost might be available.
>
> In reading all this masters sh!t storm people mentioned patterns had to
> much consumption, since when do you design a pattern on power consumption?
> Sounds like your catering to the electric guys.
>
> Maybe time to reel in some of the technology in the lower classes and
> level out the field and not make it who can throw the most money at it to
> win. That KISS system again.
>
>
>
> Just a quick .02 cents..
>
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> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Scott McHarg <scmcharg at gmail.com>
> Date: 7/18/17 8:40 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: Patternpilot One <patternpilot1 at hotmail.com>, General pattern
> discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Cc: Dave Burton <burtona at atmc.net>, Ron Hansen <rcpilot at wowway.com>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Please make sure your NSRCA profile e-mail
> address is up to date!
> But, please, enjoy the benefits of others' hard work including this list.
> Sorry but the amount of complaining how bad the NSRCA is just eats at me.
> People work really hard to do the right thing and please the majority.  No
> matter how hard you try, someone is going to poo-poo your efforts. They
> make mistakes just like we all do. At least the effort is being made to get
> information from the majority vs. the few that can't stand the NSRCA but
> love to tell everyone on the NSRCA list. How about some support?
>
> On Jul 18, 2017 7:30 PM, "Patternpilot One via NSRCA-discussion" <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
> Dave,
> +100 well said!
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Dave Burton via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: 7/18/17 8:29 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: 'Ron Hansen' <rcpilot at wowway.com>, 'General pattern discussion' <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Please make sure your NSRCA profile e-mail
> address is up to date!
>
> I've been flying pattern contest for approx 45 years. There were a lot of
> contest before NSRCA came into being.
> Pattern flying doesn't exist because of NSRCA.
>
> *From:* NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
>  *On Behalf Of *Ron Hansen via NSRCA-discussion
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 18, 2017 8:16 PM
> *To:* 'Patternpilot One'; 'General pattern discussion'; 'Cliff Bradford'
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Please make sure your NSRCA profile
> e-mail address is up to date!
>
> If you are not an NSRCA member because you are trying to make a statement
> about the current state of affairs I understand that; otherwise, if you fly
> at pattern contest on a regular basis and are not a NSRCA member then shame
> on you!!
>
> You are benefiting from all the hard work of other volunteers.
>
> Without the NSRCA pattern contests would not exist.
>
> That is like getting health insurance without paying for it or expecting
> the AMA to fight the FAA while not being a member.
>
> Again only NSRCA members should get a survey!!
>
>
> *From:* NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>] *On Behalf Of *Patternpilot
> One via NSRCA-discussion
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 18, 2017 7:52 PM
> *To:* Cliff Bradford; General pattern discussion
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Please make sure your NSRCA profile
> e-mail address is up to date!
>
> Since when the He!! do you have to belong to NSRCA to fly pattern??? I bet
> there are many who don't belong to Nsrca or follow the list who fly pattern
> on a regular basis.
>
> This is why the membership is crashing..
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Cliff Bradford via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: 7/18/17 7:44 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>, John
> Gayer <west.engineering at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Please make sure your NSRCA profile e-mail
> address is up to date!
>
> I think the survey should be directed at NSRCA members, I could care less
> what the part time Pattern guy thinks. Making it available to those that
> have a desire to provide input is fine and Peter has said he will do that,
> Hang in there Peter!!! It's a thankless job but I thank you for all your
> hard work and passion for the hobbie.
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 6:36 PM John Gayer via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
> We do own the sequences as per the AMA rulebook.
> With a short timeframe it is better to poll the NSRCA membership than to
> say we must poll the AMA membership. How would you ever determine the AMA
> members interested in pattern? From the little boxes on the AMA membership
> application? Good luck.
>
> Also, dropping your membership because you are fed up with this list is
> BS. You don't even have to be an NSRCA member to join this list.
>
>
> John
>
>
> On 7/18/2017 3:06 PM, Joe Lachowski via NSRCA-discussion wrote:
>
> The survey is useless unless it is available to all "AMA" members who
> participate in pattern events. The NSRCA does not own Precision Aerobatics.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> on behalf of Peter Vogel via
> NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 18, 2017 2:03 PM
> *To:* General pattern discussion
> *Subject:* [NSRCA-discussion] Please make sure your NSRCA profile e-mail
> address is up to date!
>
>
> Login to https://nsrca.us and then go to the "edit profile" link (
> https://nsrca.us/index.php/cb-profile-edit)
>
> NSRCA <https://nsrca.us/>
>
> nsrca.us
>
> The NSRCA is a Special Interest Group for precision aerobatics in the USA.
>
>
> We'll be sending the sequence survey to the e-mail addresses registered in
> your user profiles.  Your responses will be anonymous, but we can track who
> did/did not take the survey, this will help us to understand when we have a
> statistically meaningful set of responses.
>
>
> Peter+
>
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