[NSRCA-discussion] Flying Just P at Local

Tue Jul 18 17:20:56 AKDT 2017

Dave,

I hear ya.  I often like to play the devil's advocate.

I think they need to introduce F earlier in the World Championships because
when Andrew, Jason & Brett struggle to make the semis and finals and then
end up in the top 6 or so due to the inconsistency between judging pools (in
my opinion) that just shows you P just isn't a good separator at that level.
That is why we fly F at the NAT and that is why we fly unknowns at the NATS.
For goodness sakes I have a hard time differentiating the top master's
flyers at local contests let alone the NATS (at which I have never judged).

Ron Hansen

From: Dave Lockhart [mailto:davel322 at comcast.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 8:54 PM
To: 'Ron Hansen'; 'General pattern discussion'; 'Bill Kutchell'; 'Matthew
Finley'
Subject: RE: [NSRCA-discussion] Flying Just P at Local

Maybe we should eliminate F because the FAI never intended F3A to fly F at
anything other than world champs and continental champs?  Maybe we make
changes that are beneficial for the whole of pattern in the USA?

Just beind devils advocate...I agree with many of your points.

Dave L

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Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 7:28 PM
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<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>; 'Matthew Finley' <rcfin02 at msn.com>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flying Just P at Local

I know the F sequence is not supposed to be flown at local contests and I
know some don't fly FAI to avoid flying F.  

I also hear a lot of masters and FAI pilots say that master is sometimes
harder than FAI P and most of the time is about the same.

I want everyone to fly whatever class they want but I don't understand why
anyone would want to fly in a class where there are very few if any
competitors like FAI.

If I were a lonely FAI pilot like Mark Atwood in D4 I would be flying
masters just so I could fly with others competitively.

Let me clarify that is me, Mark Atwood can do whatever he wants and I
welcome him to fly any class he chooses.

The only reason to eliminate flying F is to convince more to move from
masters to FAI to fix the judging problem.

I don't believe you are an FAI pilot if you can't or won't fly F.

Why move up to FAI if (1) you don't want to fly F (2) you don't have any
aspirations to make the world team and (3) you don't want to compare
yourself with the best of the best.

My point is I don't think we should be changing how we run our local
contests in hopes of convincing more pilots to fly FAI.

Ron Hansen

From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
Behalf Of Bill Kutchell via NSRCA-discussion
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 5:28 PM
To: Matthew Finley; General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flying Just P at Local

Matt, I will fly P in D4 with you. 

Bill

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On Jul 18, 2017, at 4:58 PM, Matthew Finley via NSRCA-discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

If D4 decides to fly only P at most contests, I will happily fly FAI. I am
in favor for what the majority votes. 

Matthew E Finley 

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From: "S. McNickle via NSRCA-discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> 

Date: 7/18/17 2:44 PM (GMT-05:00) 

To: "Atwood, Mark" <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>, General pattern discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>, Frackowiak Tony
<frackowiak at sbcglobal.net> 

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flying Just P at Local 

Seems to me that mostly flying FAI P at local contests could relieve some of
the pressure to ramp up the difficulty of Masters to prepare pilots for the
horrors  (lol) of F.

Scott, D4

On July 18, 2017 at 2:20 PM "Atwood, Mark via NSRCA-discussion"
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

As much as it has helped my flying to have to fly F at local contests, I
would MUCH MUCH MUCH rather have competition flying P, than fly P&F alone
which I do 50% of the contests I attend.  In fact at some events I only fly
F as I need to practice that more.   

I have boxes of participation awards and hours in the chair judging 2, 4 and
sometimes even all 6 rounds of Masters.  

I'm all for District 4 choosing to fly only P at local contests and maybe
selecting 1 where we agree to try F for posterity if it'll get 2,3 or 4 guys
to move up.

Here's the other benefit. it will inspire movement in all the classes. 

-M

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