[NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA Leadership / Masters different sequence

[John Gayer]

I agree.
The judges do need to be considered here. A slightly longer break to 
relax between flights would be good. I appreciate that break when 
judging FAI.

A  time saver is to give the judges scoresheets for the entire class. 
Handing out the sheets takes time plus there is the occasional pilot 
whose sheets are lost, forgotten or in the pits. No help at the Nats 
where this is already done but a help at local contests.

Time savings would occur if pilots did not have their planes walked back 
forever so the T/O is on the centerline for max score. Safety would be 
enhanced as the downwind flightline T/O would not be as likely to be at 
head height well inside the centerline as they went past you. I flinch 
every time it happens.

John


On 7/12/2017 8:56 AM, Atwood, Mark via NSRCA-discussion wrote:
> Dave,
>
> I do agree that it would give the judges a longer break, and I also 
> agree that it would put the priority on making a safe landing, rather 
> than a scored landing.   That’s a different discussion.  It would NOT 
> save time which was the premise here.  In fact, the ability to do a go 
> around without zeroing the landing, would likely increase the time as 
> that would (and often should) happen.
>
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> On Jul 12, 2017, at 10:47 AM, Dave Burton via NSRCA-discussion 
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 
> <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:
>
> Great to see that someone else agrees with a long held belief of mine. 
> Requires a lot more time for judges to pay attention to the flight 
> when they could be doing the administrative stuff required and gives 
> them a longer break between flights. TO and landing should not be 
> judged in any class. Inexperienced pilots don't have to worry about a 
> score and can concentrate on just making a safe landing. This change 
> in all classes will save a few airplanes.
> Dave
> *From:*NSRCA-discussion 
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]*On Behalf Of*Dr. 
> Mike Harrison via NSRCA-discussion
> *Sent:*Wednesday, July 12, 2017 9:48 AM
> *To:*'John Gayer'; 'General pattern discussion'
> *Subject:*Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA Leadership / Masters different 
> sequence
> To all,
> I really don’t mean to jump into this fray and cause more dissension 
> but I want to share an issue that has come up in laying out the Nats 
> format that has considerable impact on the time factor in getting 
> through all the pilots for a round of flying.
> That is the landing and scoring the landing.  I have become aware of 
> how much time it takes to wait for the landing, judge the landing, 
> retrieving the airplane, compiling the scores, doing the 
> administration, then getting ready to do the next flight.
> Landing is a K1 maneuver and typically the score varies 3 to 4 points 
> from contestant to contestant.
> This is a maneuver that the pilot probably has more factors beyond his 
> control than any other that affects the outcome of the score for that 
> maneuver-site and field conditions, wind shifts, thermal activity, etc.
> If you do the computations of the score variations and then compute to 
> normalized scores, typically, the overall impact of the landing score 
> has no real bearing on the outcome.
> However, scoring the maneuver and so forth takes a disproportionate 
> amount of time.  It can add 20-30% or more to flight and 
> administrative time.  In contest administration, it is a significant 
> time delay particularly when there are a lot of entrants-California, 
> Nats, etc.
> I recommend that the landing be deleted from the flight maneuvers.
> Mike
> *From:*NSRCA-discussion 
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]*On Behalf Of*John 
> Gayer via NSRCA-discussion
> *Sent:*Monday, July 10, 2017 11:21 AM
> *To:*Frackowiak Tony <frackowiak at sbcglobal.net 
> <mailto:frackowiak at sbcglobal.net>>; General pattern discussion 
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 
> <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
> *Subject:*Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA Leadership / Masters different 
> sequence
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