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    I agree.<br>
    The judges do need to be considered here. A slightly longer break to
    relax between flights would be good. I appreciate that break when
    judging FAI.<br>
    <br>
    A  time saver is to give the judges scoresheets for the entire
    class. Handing out the sheets takes time plus there is the
    occasional pilot whose sheets are lost, forgotten or in the pits. No
    help at the Nats where this is already done but a help at local
    contests.<br>
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    Time savings would occur if pilots did not have their planes walked
    back forever so the T/O is on the centerline for max score. Safety
    would be enhanced as the downwind flightline T/O would not be as
    likely to be at head height well inside the centerline as they went
    past you. I flinch every time it happens.<br>
    <br>
    John<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/12/2017 8:56 AM, Atwood, Mark via
      NSRCA-discussion wrote:<br>
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      <div class="">I do agree that it would give the judges a longer
        break, and I also agree that it would put the priority on making
        a safe landing, rather than a scored landing.   That’s a
        different discussion.  It would NOT save time which was the
        premise here.  In fact, the ability to do a go around without
        zeroing the landing, would likely increase the time as that
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          <div class="">On Jul 12, 2017, at 10:47 AM, Dave Burton via
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                  125);" class="">Great to see that someone else agrees
                  with a long held belief of mine. Requires a lot more
                  time for judges to pay attention to the flight when
                  they could be doing the administrative stuff required
                  and gives them a longer break between flights. TO and
                  landing should not be judged in any class.
                  Inexperienced pilots don't have to worry about a score
                  and can concentrate on just making a safe landing.
                  This change in all classes will save a few airplanes.<o:p
                    class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>NSRCA-discussion
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                        class="">On Behalf Of<span
                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Dr.
                      Mike Harrison via NSRCA-discussion<br class="">
                      <b class="">Sent:</b><span
                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday,
                      July 12, 2017 9:48 AM<br class="">
                      <b class="">To:</b><span
                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>'John
                      Gayer'; 'General pattern discussion'<br class="">
                      <b class="">Subject:</b><span
                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                      [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA Leadership / Masters
                      different sequence<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                51, 255);" class=""> <o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
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                51, 255);" class=""> <span style="font-size: 11pt;
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                  125);" class="">To all,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                51, 255);" class=""> <span style="font-size: 11pt;
                  font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,
                  125);" class="">I really don’t mean to jump into this
                  fray and cause more dissension but I want to share an
                  issue that has come up in laying out the Nats format
                  that has considerable impact on the time factor in
                  getting through all the pilots for a round of flying.<span
                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                51, 255);" class=""> <span style="font-size: 11pt;
                  font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,
                  125);" class="">That is the landing and scoring the
                  landing.  I have become aware of how much time it
                  takes to wait for the landing, judge the landing,
                  retrieving the airplane, compiling the scores, doing
                  the administration, then getting ready to do the next
                  flight. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p
                    class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: rgb(51,
                51, 255);" class=""> <span style="font-size: 11pt;
                  font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,
                  125);" class="">Landing is a K1 maneuver and typically
                  the score varies 3 to 4 points from contestant to
                  contestant. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p
                    class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                51, 255);" class=""> <span style="font-size: 11pt;
                  font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,
                  125);" class="">This is a maneuver that the pilot
                  probably has more factors beyond his control than any
                  other that affects the outcome of the score for that
                  maneuver-site and field conditions, wind shifts,
                  thermal activity, etc. <span
                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                51, 255);" class=""> <span style="font-size: 11pt;
                  font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,
                  125);" class="">If you do the computations of the
                  score variations and then compute to normalized
                  scores, typically, the overall impact of the landing
                  score has no real bearing on the outcome.<span
                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                51, 255);" class=""> <span style="font-size: 11pt;
                  font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,
                  125);" class="">However, scoring the maneuver and so
                  forth takes a disproportionate amount of time.  It can
                  add 20-30% or more to flight and administrative time.
                   In contest administration, it is a significant time
                  delay particularly when there are a lot of
                  entrants-California, Nats, etc.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: rgb(51,
                51, 255);" class=""> <span style="font-size: 11pt;
                  font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,
                  125);" class="">I recommend that the landing be
                  deleted from the flight maneuvers.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                  font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,
                  125);" class="">Mike<span
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                      <b class="">Sent:</b><span
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                      July 10, 2017 11:21 AM<br class="">
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                      <b class="">Subject:</b><span
                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                      [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA Leadership / Masters
                      different sequence<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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