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I agree.<br>
The judges do need to be considered here. A slightly longer break to
relax between flights would be good. I appreciate that break when
judging FAI.<br>
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A time saver is to give the judges scoresheets for the entire
class. Handing out the sheets takes time plus there is the
occasional pilot whose sheets are lost, forgotten or in the pits. No
help at the Nats where this is already done but a help at local
contests.<br>
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Time savings would occur if pilots did not have their planes walked
back forever so the T/O is on the centerline for max score. Safety
would be enhanced as the downwind flightline T/O would not be as
likely to be at head height well inside the centerline as they went
past you. I flinch every time it happens.<br>
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John<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/12/2017 8:56 AM, Atwood, Mark via
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<div class="">I do agree that it would give the judges a longer
break, and I also agree that it would put the priority on making
a safe landing, rather than a scored landing. That’s a
different discussion. It would NOT save time which was the
premise here. In fact, the ability to do a go around without
zeroing the landing, would likely increase the time as that
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<div class="">On Jul 12, 2017, at 10:47 AM, Dave Burton via
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
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51, 255);" class=""> <span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);" class="">Great to see that someone else agrees
with a long held belief of mine. Requires a lot more
time for judges to pay attention to the flight when
they could be doing the administrative stuff required
and gives them a longer break between flights. TO and
landing should not be judged in any class.
Inexperienced pilots don't have to worry about a score
and can concentrate on just making a safe landing.
This change in all classes will save a few airplanes.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
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class="">On Behalf Of<span
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<b class="">Sent:</b><span
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July 12, 2017 9:48 AM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b><span
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Gayer'; 'General pattern discussion'<br class="">
<b class="">Subject:</b><span
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[NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA Leadership / Masters
different sequence<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: rgb(51,
51, 255);" class=""> <o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
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51, 255);" class=""> <span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);" class="">To all,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
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51, 255);" class=""> <span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);" class="">I really don’t mean to jump into this
fray and cause more dissension but I want to share an
issue that has come up in laying out the Nats format
that has considerable impact on the time factor in
getting through all the pilots for a round of flying.<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
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51, 255);" class=""> <span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);" class="">That is the landing and scoring the
landing. I have become aware of how much time it
takes to wait for the landing, judge the landing,
retrieving the airplane, compiling the scores, doing
the administration, then getting ready to do the next
flight. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
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51, 255);" class=""> <span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);" class="">Landing is a K1 maneuver and typically
the score varies 3 to 4 points from contestant to
contestant. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: rgb(51,
51, 255);" class=""> <span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);" class="">This is a maneuver that the pilot
probably has more factors beyond his control than any
other that affects the outcome of the score for that
maneuver-site and field conditions, wind shifts,
thermal activity, etc. <span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
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51, 255);" class=""> <span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);" class="">If you do the computations of the
score variations and then compute to normalized
scores, typically, the overall impact of the landing
score has no real bearing on the outcome.<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
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51, 255);" class=""> <span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);" class="">However, scoring the maneuver and so
forth takes a disproportionate amount of time. It can
add 20-30% or more to flight and administrative time.
In contest administration, it is a significant time
delay particularly when there are a lot of
entrants-California, Nats, etc.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
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51, 255);" class=""> <span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,
125);" class="">I recommend that the landing be
deleted from the flight maneuvers.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt;
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July 10, 2017 11:21 AM<br class="">
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