[NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA Leadership / Masters different sequence

[Mike Mueller]

 Tony,
 It had me baffled too. I think whatever it is it's a cool maneuver.
 I like the pattern or at least my stick plane does Stu.
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On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 12:54 AM, Frackowiak Tony via NSRCA-discussion <
nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

> Got it. Duh! Then it's not really a Pyramid Loop, it's something else. And
> definitely a K5.
>
> Tony Frackowiak
>
> On Jul 9, 2017, at 10:28 PM, John Gayer via NSRCA-discussion wrote:
>
> Tony,
> He is pushing 135 degrees(3/8 loop) to 45 down before center so there is
> no crossover at the top as the exit is also a 135 degree push. Then the
> pushes will make sense.
> John
>
> On 7/9/2017 9:26 PM, Frackowiak Tony via NSRCA-discussion wrote:
>
> Stuart,
>
> OK, Your DI exits upright. Your 1/2 Sq Loop w/2 of 4 on 2nd leg exits
> upright. In an upright entry Pyramid loop where you push to the 45 you are
> upright before the roll. The 2 of 4 roll now puts you inverted on the 45.
> How can you PUSH to inverted horizontal flight and be flying a Pyramid
> loop? What am I not seeing?? Even if I start the Pyramid inverted your
> description doesn't work. From an upright entry just pushing to 45 does not
> make you inverted!
>
> I don't care how many spins. I just think when you do less then 2 it is
> hard to do a good entry and exit that looks clean. But John and Jon have
> good points.
>
> My comparison of K-Factors used the K's in the Guide, not the F3A catalog.
> You keep quoting F3A K's. Masters sequences are supposed to be using the
> Guide. You can discuss K's until your blue in the face and maybe they do
> need a review. And as you said, we don't have the time to review all of the
> K's in the Guide. But I would think that if you add elements to something
> already a K4 that should be a good reason to make it a K5. The Guide was
> designed with the K's assigned as they are to try to make a structured
> approach from Sportsman to Masters. FAI F3A doesn't care about any of that.
> And they shouldn't. But we need to.
>
> I saw Verne's post about how upset he was about the Figure M w/ 1/4 rolls
> being made a K4 for Advanced. I was involved in designing that sequence. I
> believe you can make a real case that a Double Stall Turn with a 3/4 roll
> up and a 1/4 roll down is tougher to fly then a Fig M w/1/4 rolls. I see
> very few Double Stall Turns of any kind flown correctly, staying on center
> with equal radius. But it got assigned a K4 and according to Verne we were
> complete idiots making the M in Advanced a K4. But I do see his point.
>
> If you keep using the F3A catalog for the K's you are going to create
> difficulty creep. Thank you Verne for your comment.
>
> I tried to assist by designing a sequence using yours as a basis that
> conforms to what is in the Guide.
>
> Tony Frackowiak
>
>
> On Jul 9, 2017, at 6:02 PM, Stuart Chale wrote:
>
> Pyramid (triangle from the top base at the bottom)  From the top of the
> box as you approach center push 3/8 loop to an inverted 45 degree down line
> 2/4 on this leg to upright.  Push 3/8 to inverted horizontal flight, full
> roll on this line from inverted push back 3/8 loop back towards top center.
> 2/4 on this line to inverted again, push 3/8 loop back to upright flight
>
> You are not going to like my answer but as far as the K factor it is
> similar to the current P-17 triangle which has a 4 pt roll on the top leg
> and still just a K4
>
> Since you are going to want to make the pyramid large so the 1/2 square
> down can be big enough not to fear the snap the maneuver preceding the
> pyramid the half square on corner needs to be large so the asymmetrical
> roll (one leg only) should be fairly easy to do.  Also going up hill so you
> have more time for the 2/4.
>
> 6 sided loop K factor being a 5.  Can't disagree with you but I can also
> make the case for a K4.  There are no K5 six sided loops in the current
> guidelines.  Nothing to compare to say it is as hard or easier.  I think
> that since it just has 1/2 rolls in it is easier than the P-17 six sided
> FAI is flying now.  Theirs is a K4.
>
> I think I agree with what someone said about K factors needing an
> overhaul.  'Perhaps going to an IMAC type system to assign K factors is the
> right direction to go.   This will take a bit of work and can't happen
> before these sequences need to be done:)  But it is something to think
> about for the future.
>
> As far as the number of spins I am good with 2 or 3 or 1.5 or 2.5 with an
> added 1/2 roll.  You are happy at 3 Jon recommends 2 which just confirms
> that not everyone will be happy with the path we chose.
>
> I think right now there are 3 clear K5 maneuvers.  Is the pyramid, six
> sided and or 1 1/4 roll to knife edge a K5 maneuver.  You can make a case
> with support to go either way.
>
> Let me try to get this to format better.  If anyone else has comments on
> this version or if you support the original Masters proposal from the NSRCA
> website please let us know.
>
>   Masters proposal
>   Maneuver KF Notes:
> 1 Takeoff (U) 1
> 2 Double Immelman with knife edge flight (U) 5 Pull to 1/2 loop,
> immediate 1/4 roll, knife edge flight, 1/4 roll same direction, immediate
> push to 1/2 outside loop, immediate 1/4 roll, knife edge flight, 1/4 roll
> same direction to level upright exit
> <cjialcnhkpanepbl.png>
> 3 1/2 square loop on corner with 2/4 pt rolls in 2nd leg (TA) 2
> 4 Pyramid loop, 2/4, Full roll, 2/4 (D) 4 Push back to 45 deg down line,
> 2/4 pt roll, push to level flight, Full roll  from inverted, push back to
> to 45 up line, 2/4 pt roll, push to level upright exit
> 5 1/2 square outside loop, full snap (+ or -) in vert down line, exit
> inverted (TA) 3 (inverted exit)
> 6 Six sided loop on corner with 1/2 rolls in legs 1, 3, 4, 6, exit
> inverted (U) 4 Push at center no rolls on vertical legs.  (inverted exit)
> 7 Humpty with options: Push, push, push, 1/2 roll up and a full roll on
> the downline, exit inverted.  Option 1/4 roll up 3/4 roll down, exit
> inverted (TA) 3 (inverted exit)
> 8 4/8 opposite from inverted, exit inverted (D) 5 (inverted exit)
> 9 Stall turn with 1/2 rolls reversed going  up and 1/2 roll down, exit
> upright (TA) 3
> 10 Avalanche with 1/2 roll going in and out 4 1/2 roll to inverted,
> perform an outside loop with a snap at the top, complete the loop and
> perform a 1/2 roll to exit upright.
> 11 Half reverse Cuban Eight with a1/2 roll roll on the 45 (TA) 3 exit
> inverted
> 12 Knife edge flight with 1 1/4 rolls in and out. (D) 4
> 13 Top Hat, 3/4 roll up and down exit upright (TA) 2
> 14 Figure Z with 2 consecutive rolls  (U) 4
> 15 2 turn spin exit inverted (TA) 2
> 16 Reverse cuban eight with full rolls from inverted(D) 4
> 17 Stall turn with half roll  down (TA) 2
> 18 Loop with integrated roll in top 180 (U)* 5
> 19 Landing (U) 1
>   Total K-factor 61 Goal is 60 to 63
>   Minimum of 2, max of 3 cross box maneuvers
>
>   Minimum of 2, max of 3 downwind rolling
>   maneuvers
>
>   Minimum of 2, max of 4 K5 maneuvers
>
>   Minimum of 2, max of 3 Snap Rolls
>
>   Minimum of 1, max of 2 Spins
>
>   Minimum 2 stall turns, 4 max
>
>
> On 7/9/2017 5:30 PM, Frackowiak Tony wrote:
>
> Stuart,
>
> Your description of the Pyramid loop still doesn't seem to make sense to
> me. Am I wrong?
>
> I like the Avalanche.
>
> I don't think you've incorporated some of the other changes and as such
> you still have too many, in my opinion, K5 maneuvers. The Six Sided loop as
> proposed should be a K5. I feel the 1 1/4 roll KE is a K5. As I mentioned
> earlier, you could change the Pyramid loop to all 1/2 rolls and make it a
> K4, it's in the Guide that way.
>
> My suggestion, #3 should be a 1/2 Square Loop w/1/2rolls both legs. #4
> should be Pyramid Loop starting from inverted, 1/2 rolls each leg, exit
> upright.
>
> I would personally keep the 3 turn spin. I wouldn't go less then 2 with
> the spin. But you might consider making the Reverse Cuban 8 a regular Cuban
> 8 just to give more distance between the spin and the 8. That won't affect
> the entry in to the Stall Turn.
>
>
> My suggested sequence. Maneuvers in Red are straight out of the Guide.
> I've given what I can find in the Guide as the closest example of a
> proposed new maneuver.
>
>
> #1. Take-off (K1)
>
> #2.  Double Immelmann with half roll first, full roll second, inverted
> entry, exit upright (K4)
>
> #3.  Half square loop on corner with 1/2 rolls, exit inverted (K2)
>
> #4. Pyramid Loop, inverted entry, 1/2 rolls each leg, exit upright. (K4)
> Guide example -  Triangular loop (base at bottom) with half rolls in all
> legs, exit inverted (K4)
>
> #5. 1/2 Square Outside, 1 Snap down, exit inverted (K3)
>
> #6. Six Sided Loop on Corner, 1/2 rolls legs 1, 3, 4, 6, exit inverted (K5)
> Guide example -  Six sided loop with 2/4 pt roll on top, inverted entry
> (K4)
>
> #7. Humpty w/Options, exit inverted (K3)
> Guide example -  Humpty bump (push, push, push) half roll up, 2/2pt roll
> down, inverted entry (K3)
>
> #8. two 4 of 8 rolls reversed, exit inverted (K5)
> Guide example -  4/8 pt. roll, inverted entry (K4)
>
> #9. Stall Turn, 2 1/2 rolls reversed up, 1/2 roll down, exit upright (K3)
> Guide example -  Stall Turn, 2/4pt roll up, half roll down, inverted
> entry (K2)
>
> #10. Inverted Avalanche w/1/2 Roll in and out, exit upright (K4)
> Guide example -  Avalanche with 1-1/2 snap, inverted entry (from bottom)
> (K4)
>
> #11. Same as proposed, exit upright (K3)
>
> #12. Same as proposed, exit upright (K5)
> Guide example -  Knife edge flight (K4)
>
> #13. Same as proposed, exit upright (K2) Might create an option that
> doesn't change position. Suggest 1 roll up, 1/2 roll down.
>
> #14. Figure Z w/2 rolls on 45, exit upright (K4)
> Guide example -  Figure Z with 2/2pt roll up (K4)
>
> #15. Three Turn Spin, exit inverted (K2)
> Guide example -   Two turn spin (K2)
>
> #16. Cuban 8 w/full rolls, inverted entry and exit (K4)
>
> #17. Stall Turn w/1/2 roll down, exit upright ( K2)
>
> #18. Loop w/Integrated 1 Roll on Top 180, exit upright (K5)
>
> #19. Landing (K1)
>
> Total K - 62
>
> This meets the Guide with a max of 4 K5 maneuvers and is within the K
> limit of 60 to 63. It does have only 9 of the 19 maneuvers currently in the
> Guide. Really 7 of 17 if you don't use the Take-off and Landing.
>
> Tony Frackowiak
> On Jul 9, 2017, at 8:09 AM, Stuart Chale via NSRCA-discussion wrote:
>
> Can certainly change it to 2 spins without changing anything
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 9, 2017, at 10:30 AM, John Fuqua via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
> Totally agree with Jon’s thoughts on spins.
>
>
>
> *From:* NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>] *On Behalf Of *Jon Lowe via
> NSRCA-discussion
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 9, 2017 9:13 AM
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> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA Leadership / Masters different
> sequence
>
>
>
> Much better sequence overall. I believe it is more in line with the intent
> of the sequence guide. It certainly makes the transition from advanced more
> doable. It also appears to be less power hungry.
>
> One comment. I, and several others, are not fans of end box spins. In
> heavy crosswinds, like the last NATS, the plane drifts as allowed without
> penalty FOR THAT MANEUVER, even if it goes out of box. However, unless the
> proposal to correct this passes the contest board, the following maneuver
> gets penalized for cross box or out of box before the maneuver actually
> starts. So the pilot gets a penalty in one maneuver for allowable drift in
> another. There is no guarantee the proposal will pass.  In this sequence, a
> three turn spin allows even more drift than we have with 2.5 in the current
> sequence.
>
> I would argue that the entry and exit of a spin are what really count in
> judging. Therefore, if end box spins are kept, reducing it to one turn or
> 1.5 with a 1/2 roll out reduces the drift component considerably. 3 turns
> is just too many for end box.
>
> I'd also suggest that the top hat have a straight ahead option if the
> pilot does not need to correct in and out. I often wish the current
> sequence had the option.
>
> Good effort!
>
> Jon
> ------------------------------
>
> On Sunday, July 9, 2017 Stuart Chale via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
> Lets look at this, we can replace the Double key (K 5) with an avalanche
> K3 to get the snap in a center maneuver or lets put the maneuver we
> originally had in advanced, and avalanche with ½ roll in and out (K4), and
> remove the snap from the next maneuver reverse cuban turnaround.  Also
> changed a stall turn to ½ rolls reversed going up.
>
>
>
> Sorry formatting problems showing up again.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Masters proposal*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Maneuver*
>
> KF
>
> Notes:
>
> 1
>
> Takeoff (U)
>
> 1
>
>
>
> 2
>
> Double Immelman with knife edge flight (U)
>
> 5
>
> Pull to 1/2 loop, immediate 1/4 roll, knife edge flight, 1/4 roll same
> direction, immediate push to 1/2 outside loop, immediate 1/4 roll, knife
> edge flight, 1/4 roll same direction to level upright exit
>
> <CCDCC1C3B1DB44578155E81A66BA48EE.png>
>
> 3
>
> 1/2 square loop on corner with 2/4 pt rolls in 2nd leg (TA)
>
> 2
>
>
>
> 4
>
> Pyramid loop, 2/4, Full roll, 2/4 (D)
>
> 5
>
> Push back to 45 deg down line, 2/4 pt roll, push to level flight, Full
> roll  from inverted, push back to to 45 up line, 2/4 pt roll, push to level
> upright exit
>
> 5
>
> 1/2 square outside loop, full snap (+ or -) in vert down line, exit
> inverted (TA)
>
> 3
>
> (inverted exit)
>
> 6
>
> Six sided loop on corner with 1/2 rolls in legs 1, 3, 4, 6, exit inverted
> (U)
>
> 4
>
> Push at center no rolls on vertical legs.  (inverted exit)
>
> 7
>
> Humpty with options: Push, push, push, 1/2 roll up and a full roll on the
> downline, exit inverted.  Option 1/4 roll up 3/4 roll down, exit inverted
> (TA)
>
> 3
>
> (inverted exit)
>
> 8
>
> 4/8 opposite from inverted, exit inverted (D)
>
> 5
>
> (inverted exit)
>
> 9
>
> Stall turn with 1/2 rolls reversed going up and 1/2 roll down, exit
> upright (TA)
>
> 3
>
>
>
> 10
>
> avalanche with 1/2 roll in and out (U)
>
> 4
>
> 1/2 roll to inverted, perform an outside loop with a snap at the top,
> complete the loop and perform a 1/2 roll to exit upright.
>
> 11
>
> Half reverse Cuban Eight with a 1/2 roll on the 45 (TA)
>
> 3
>
>
>
> 12
>
> Knife edge flight with 1 1/4 rolls in and out. (D)
>
> 4
>
> exit upright
>
> 13
>
> Top Hat, 3/4 roll up and down exit upright (TA)
>
> 2
>
>
>
> 14
>
> Figure Z with 2 consecutive rolls  (U)
>
> 4
>
>
>
> 15
>
> 3 turn spin exit inverted (TA)
>
> 2
>
>
>
> 16
>
> Reverse cuban eight with full rolls from inverted(D)
>
> 4
>
>
>
> 17
>
> Stall turn with half roll  down (TA)
>
> 2
>
>
>
> 18
>
> Loop with integrated roll in top 180 (U)*
>
> 5
>
>
>
> 19
>
> Landing (U)
>
> 1
>
>
>
>
>
> Total K-factor
>
> 62
>
> Goal is 60 to 63
>
>
>
> Minimum of 2, max of 3 cross box maneuvers
>
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> Minimum of 2, max of 3 downwind rolling
>
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> maneuvers
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> Minimum of 2, max of 4 K5 maneuvers
>
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> Minimum of 2, max of 3 Snap Rolls
>
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> Minimum of 1, max of 2 Spins
>
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> Minimum 2 stall turns, 4 max
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>
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>
>
> *From: *Stuart Chale via NSRCA-discussion
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> *Sent: *Sunday, July 9, 2017 3:24 AM
> *To: *Frackowiak Tony <frackowiak at sbcglobal.net>; General pattern
> discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA Leadership / Masters different
> sequence
>
>
>
> Tony thanks for looking at this with an open mind and critical eye.  To be
> honest I wasn’t going to initially post this but was convinced to by a
> group of D 1 flyers at the contest yesterday.  If for no other reason than
> to show that the committee did consider a more “conventional” sequence in
> addition to the one that was sent out.
>
> And I did change a few things last night after spending the full day in
> the sun and I promise only 1 beer at dinner so I may have messed up a thing
> or 2.
>
>
>
> Can this be the basis of the recommended sequence?  As I understand the
> process the committee sends the proposals to the BOD.  They review and in
> this case have asked for membership feedback and then make their
> recommendations to the committee.  If the BOD decides that sequence 1 is
> too difficult and this one meets the goals of the NSRCA better then they
> can ask us to tweak this one instead.  Did I send this out at the request
> of the entire sequence committee?  No I did not.
>
>
>
> #4 From top of the box push 3/8 loop to a 45 2 of 4 push back to level
> inverted flight full roll across the bottom push back 3/8 loop to a 45
> degree up line towards top center of the box 2 of 4 and push 3/8 loop back
> to horizontal (upright)
>
> Can easily make a case to be a K5 😊
>
>
>
> #6 correct ½ rolls only I will have to review current maneuvers for the K
> factor. Pretty late right now but I wanted to provide a response as best I
> could.
>
>
>
> #12 comes from P19 and that is the k factor they gave it so that is what
> we were using right or wrong we have to start somewhere.
>
>
>
> Double key only reason it is in here is it is in P19 and as I stated I
> sort of like having a few of the same maneuvers as FAI (not the clown
> dance)  I need to try to fly it to see if it really a good maneuver or not
> but it is certainly an easy place to swap to a K4.
>
>
>
> Roll reversal:  The knife edge flight you have to roll the other way after
> knife edge to come out upright.  But one can be put in the stall turns as
> well or somewhere else if we think another one needs to be included.
>
>
>
> Snaps.  You are correct I misplaced one trying to simplify the pattern a
> little. Maybe after the 1 1/4 roll in the middle of the knife edge flight
> 😊
>
> I will look at the sequence and get one back in there.
>
>
>
> Stuart
>
>
>
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>
> *From: *Frackowiak Tony <frackowiak at sbcglobal.net>
> *Sent: *Sunday, July 9, 2017 1:48 AM
> *To: *Stuart Chale <schale1 at outlook.com>; General pattern discussion
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA Leadership / Masters different
> sequence
>
>
>
> Stuart,
>
>
>
> #4. The description doesn't seem to make sense. Isn't it an upright entry,
> PUSH to 45, 2 of 4 roll, PULL to level flight, Full roll from upright to
> upright, PULL to 45, 2 of 4 roll, push to exit upright? Or am I missing
> something? Also, it seems to be pushing being a K4. Here are the two
> closest examples in the Guide.
>
>
>
>  Triangular loop (base at bottom) with half rolls in all legs, exit
> inverted (K4)
>
>
>
>  Triangular loop from top (base at bottom) w/ half rolls on 45 degree
> legs, 2/4-pt roll on
>
> base leg (K5)
>
>
>
> It would seem that the maneuver proposed should be a K5. You might want to
> go with 1/2 rolls on all legs and redo a few things to get the
> upright/inverted thing going again.
>
>
>
> #6. I had to actually draw this one out to visualize it. Just so I'm sure,
> you enter inverted and at center push to a 30 degree angle? I like the
> maneuver but I think it's really a K5 not a 4. The Guide has no 6-sided
> loop on corner, but a standard 6-sided with just a 2 of 4 on top is a K4.
>
>
>
> #12. I still feel that a very good case can be made that this maneuver is
> a K5, not a K4.
>
>
>
> Both snaps are in turnaround maneuvers. You need a center snap. Guide
> says:  Minimum of two Snap Rolls but no more than three (one may be a
> turnaround maneuver).
>
>
>
> The only roll reversal is in the 4/8 opposite. You might want to
> incorporate another in one of the looping maneuvers. Maybe in the Figure Z.
> Maybe a 3 of 4 with a reverse 3 of 4. Or something less. Maybe just reverse
> the 2 rolls. But that might bump it to a K5 also.
>
>
>
> You have to address the snap issue and in my opinion you have too many K5
> maneuvers. Maximum according to the Guide is 4. I think this has to be
> addressed. I would dump the Double Key and use a K4 from the Guide in it's
> place as a start.
>
>
>
> Otherwise to me it looks like a better pattern to work with then the
> current proposal.
>
>
>
> Is there any chance that what is worked out here might actually make it in
> as an official proposal?
>
>
>
> Tony Frackowiak
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 8, 2017, at 9:26 PM, Stuart Chale via NSRCA-discussion wrote:
>
>
>
> Thank you, you are correct I swapped the Cuban with a roll to allow better
> entry to the knife edge roll
>
> To keep the Cuban an inverted entry and exit we can change the spin to 3
> turn spin with an inverted exit (may bump the k?)
>
> And change the stall turn to 1/2 roll down only.
>
>
>
> *Masters proposal*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Maneuver*
>
> KF
>
> Notes:
>
> 1
>
> Takeoff (U)
>
> 1
>
>
>
> 2
>
> Double Immelman with knife edge flight (U)
>
> 5
>
> Pull to 1/2 loop, immediate 1/4 roll, knife edge flight, 1/4 roll same
> direction, immediate push to 1/2 outside loop, immediate 1/4 roll, knife
> edge flight, 1/4 roll same direction to level upright exit
>
> <olpknaibinkfmdnp.png>
>
> 3
>
> 1/2 square loop on corner with 2/4 pt rolls in 2nd leg (TA)
>
> 2
>
>
>
> 4
>
> Pyramid loop, 2/4, Full roll, 2/4 (D)
>
> 4
>
> Push back to 45 deg down line, 2/4 pt roll, push to level flight, Full
> roll  from inverted, push back to to 45 up line, 2/4 pt roll, push to level
> upright exit
>
> 5
>
> 1/2 square outside loop, full snap (+ or -) in vert down line, exit
> inverted (TA)
>
> 3
>
> (inverted exit)
>
> 6
>
> Six sided loop on corner with 1/2 rolls in legs 1, 3, 4, 6, exit inverted
> (U)
>
> 4
>
> Push at center no rolls on vertical legs.  (inverted exit)
>
> 7
>
> Humpty with options: Push, push, push, 1/2 roll up and a full roll on the
> downline, exit inverted.  Option 1/4 roll up 3/4 roll down, exit inverted
> (TA)
>
> 3
>
> (inverted exit)
>
> 8
>
> 4/8 opposite from inverted, exit inverted (D)
>
> 5
>
> (inverted exit)
>
> 9
>
> Stall turn with 2/2 rolls up and 1/2 roll down, exit upright (TA)
>
> 3
>
>
>
> 10
>
> Double Key with full roll, 1/2 roll, 1/2 roll, full roll (U)
>
> 5
>
> Pull to a vert up line, full roll, pull back to a 45 deg down line, 1/2
> roll, push to a 45 deg up line, 1/2 roll, pull to a vertical downline, full
> roll, pull to level upright exit
>
> 11
>
> Half reverse Cuban Eight with a positive snap roll roll on the 45 (TA)
>
> 3
>
> exit inverted
>
> 12
>
> Knife edge flight with 1 1/4 rolls in and out. (D)
>
> 4
>
>
>
> 13
>
> Top Hat, 3/4 roll up and down exit upright (TA)
>
> 2
>
>
>
> 14
>
> Figure Z with 2 consecutive rolls  (U)
>
> 4
>
>
>
> 15
>
> 3 turn spin exit inverted (TA)
>
> 2
>
>
>
> 16
>
> Reverse cuban eight with full rolls from inverted(D)
>
> 4
>
>
>
> 17
>
> Stall turn with half roll down (TA)
>
> 2
>
>
>
> 18
>
> Loop with integrated roll in top 180 (U)*
>
> 5
>
>
>
> 19
>
> Landing (U)
>
> 1
>
>
>
>
>
> Total K-factor
>
> 62
>
> Goal is 60 to 63
>
>
>
>
>
> On 7/9/2017 12:12 AM, John Gayer via NSRCA-discussion wrote:
>
> Stuart,
> I believe the reverse cuban with full rolls should be from upright.
> Good luck with this.
> John
>
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