[NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA Leadership / Masters different sequence

[Frackowiak Tony]

Stuart,

#4. The description doesn't seem to make sense. Isn't it an upright entry, PUSH to 45, 2 of 4 roll, PULL to level flight, Full roll from upright to upright, PULL to 45, 2 of 4 roll, push to exit upright? Or am I missing something? Also, it seems to be pushing being a K4. Here are the two closest examples in the Guide.

 Triangular loop (base at bottom) with half rolls in all legs, exit inverted (K4)

 Triangular loop from top (base at bottom) w/ half rolls on 45 degree legs, 2/4-pt roll on
base leg (K5)

It would seem that the maneuver proposed should be a K5. You might want to go with 1/2 rolls on all legs and redo a few things to get the upright/inverted thing going again.

#6. I had to actually draw this one out to visualize it. Just so I'm sure, you enter inverted and at center push to a 30 degree angle? I like the maneuver but I think it's really a K5 not a 4. The Guide has no 6-sided loop on corner, but a standard 6-sided with just a 2 of 4 on top is a K4.

#12. I still feel that a very good case can be made that this maneuver is a K5, not a K4. 

Both snaps are in turnaround maneuvers. You need a center snap. Guide says:  Minimum of two Snap Rolls but no more than three (one may be a turnaround maneuver). 

The only roll reversal is in the 4/8 opposite. You might want to incorporate another in one of the looping maneuvers. Maybe in the Figure Z. Maybe a 3 of 4 with a reverse 3 of 4. Or something less. Maybe just reverse the 2 rolls. But that might bump it to a K5 also.

You have to address the snap issue and in my opinion you have too many K5 maneuvers. Maximum according to the Guide is 4. I think this has to be addressed. I would dump the Double Key and use a K4 from the Guide in it's place as a start.

Otherwise to me it looks like a better pattern to work with then the current proposal.

Is there any chance that what is worked out here might actually make it in as an official proposal?

Tony Frackowiak

 
On Jul 8, 2017, at 9:26 PM, Stuart Chale via NSRCA-discussion wrote:

> Thank you, you are correct I swapped the Cuban with a roll to allow better entry to the knife edge roll
> 
> To keep the Cuban an inverted entry and exit we can change the spin to 3 turn spin with an inverted exit (may bump the k?)
> 
> And change the stall turn to 1/2 roll down only.
> 
>  	Masters proposal	 	 
>  	 Maneuver	KF	Notes:
> 1	 Takeoff (U)	1	 
> 2	 Double Immelman with knife edge flight (U)	5	Pull to 1/2 loop, immediate 1/4 roll, knife edge flight, 1/4 roll same direction, immediate push to 1/2 outside loop, immediate 1/4 roll, knife edge flight, 1/4 roll same direction to level upright exit 
> <olpknaibinkfmdnp.png>
> 3	 1/2 square loop on corner with 2/4 pt rolls in 2nd leg (TA)	2	 
> 4	 Pyramid loop, 2/4, Full roll, 2/4 (D)	4	Push back to 45 deg down line, 2/4 pt roll, push to level flight, Full roll  from inverted, push back to to 45 up line, 2/4 pt roll, push to level upright exit
> 5	 1/2 square outside loop, full snap (+ or -) in vert down line, exit inverted (TA)	3	(inverted exit)
> 6	 Six sided loop on corner with 1/2 rolls in legs 1, 3, 4, 6, exit inverted (U)	4	Push at center no rolls on vertical legs.  (inverted exit)
> 7	 Humpty with options: Push, push, push, 1/2 roll up and a full roll on the downline, exit inverted.  Option 1/4 roll up 3/4 roll down, exit inverted (TA)	3	(inverted exit)
> 8	 4/8 opposite from inverted, exit inverted (D)	5	(inverted exit)
> 9	 Stall turn with 2/2 rolls up and 1/2 roll down, exit upright (TA)	3	 
> 10	Double Key with full roll, 1/2 roll, 1/2 roll, full roll (U)	5	Pull to a vert up line, full roll, pull back to a 45 deg down line, 1/2 roll, push to a 45 deg up line, 1/2 roll, pull to a vertical downline, full roll, pull to level upright exit
> 11	 Half reverse Cuban Eight with a positive snap roll roll on the 45 (TA)	3	exit inverted
> 12	Knife edge flight with 1 1/4 rolls in and out. (D)	4	 
> 13	Top Hat, 3/4 roll up and down exit upright (TA)	2	 
> 14	Figure Z with 2 consecutive rolls  (U)	4	 
> 15	3 turn spin exit inverted (TA)	2	 
> 16	Reverse cuban eight with full rolls from inverted(D)	4	 
> 17	Stall turn with half roll down (TA)	2	 
> 18	Loop with integrated roll in top 180 (U)*	5	 
> 19	Landing (U)	1	 
>  	Total K-factor	62	Goal is 60 to 63
> 
> 
> On 7/9/2017 12:12 AM, John Gayer via NSRCA-discussion wrote:
>> Stuart,
>> I believe the reverse cuban with full rolls should be from upright.
>> Good luck with this.
>> John
>> 
> 
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