[NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA-discussion Digest, Vol 134, Issue 8
Scott McHarg
scmcharg at gmail.com
Fri Jan 13 06:27:53 AKST 2017
+1,000,000
*Scott A. McHarg*
VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S. Research Pilot
Texas A&M University
PPL - ASEL
Remote Pilot Certified Under FAA Part 107
On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 9:25 AM, Ed Alt via NSRCA-discussion <
nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
> It's easy to poke fun at the volunteer leadership of any organization.
> The criticism may or may not be deserved, but it's probably not doing much
> to improve anything. I suggest that if you think the current leadership
> isn't getting it done for you, then try to replace them one at a time,
> starting with volunteering your own time, efforts and ideas. Otherwise,
> you're just not being very helpful.
>
>
> Ed
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> on
> behalf of Robert Campbell via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> *Sent:* Friday, January 13, 2017 10:18 AM
> *To:* Keith Hoard; General pattern discussion
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA-discussion Digest, Vol 134, Issue
> 8
>
> What ever happened to The Popular Front?
>
> On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Keith Hoard via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
>> These discussions always remind me of the scene in Monty Python’s “Life
>> of Brian” where the rebels are arguing about whether to name their movement
>> “Peoples Front of Judea”, or “The Judea Peoples Front”.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Windows 10 phone
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *ronlock--- via NSRCA-discussion
>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> *Sent: *Friday, January 13, 2017 7:11
>> *To: *John Fuqua <johnfuqua at embarqmail.com>; General pattern discussion
>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> *Subject: *Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA-discussion Digest, Vol 134,
>> Issue 8
>>
>>
>>
>> A strong Plus 1 for John's comments.
>>
>> Ron Lockhart 10 years as District II Contest Board Member
>>
>> On January 12, 2017 at 8:45 PM John Fuqua via NSRCA-discussion <
>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>
>> Unfortunately the benefits are not readily apparent but never the less
>> are critical to our survival. I would offer that without NSRCA pattern
>> would die. AMA is not in the business anymore to promote a particular
>> activity. The Contest Board, all of which are NSRCA members, would have
>> little or no direction without input from NSRCA. I have personal
>> experience with this when the Board also did IMAC rules. No direction,
>> input or consensus on direction. Yes NSRCA is not perfect but I
>> challenge anybody to identify a single volunteer organization which is.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have said this a thousand times - If you want to change a rule submit a
>> change. Anybody can. Cannot estimate how many times someone told me
>> there needs to be a rule change and then did NOTHING.
>>
>>
>>
>> We need a single voice for the community so we have some
>> input/influence. If you do not like it run for office and get you ideas
>> out.
>>
>>
>>
>> Apologies my rant.
>>
>>
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
>> *On Behalf Of *STEVE S via NSRCA-discussion
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 12, 2017 6:15 PM
>> *To:* nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA-discussion Digest, Vol 134,
>> Issue 8
>>
>>
>>
>> *Here is my response to Peter Vogel comments **on Ron Hansens questions
>> - ** See comments in red below.*
>>
>> I wrote this because I do not see any benefit to NSRCA other than
>> nationals. What about the pilots who never intend to go to the nationals.
>> AMA rules for pattern not NSRCA.
>>
>> So if NSRCA only for Nationals attendants and pilots do not go to NATS
>> where is the benefit. If the question cannot be answered reasonably and
>> with demonstrated benefits then getting in new pilots is a lost cause.
>>
>> Only been in it 5 years and becoming disheartened in NSRCA.
>>
>> Not here to discount anyone but answers are not being offered just
>> rhetoric. Also just want to say I believe the people involved in pattern
>> are of the greatest caliber. But change or die like it or not. We need to
>> improve and come up with real answers. I do not have them just commenting
>> on the same rhetoric I have heard since I started and guess what wearing
>> thin with no improvement in sight.
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve Sobolewski
>>
>>
>>
>> The "What are the benefits" question comes up a lot. So much so, that
>> Charlie wrote an excellent article which you can find on the NSRCA.us web
>> site in the "new pilot info" section. The important stuff is reproduced
>> below:
>>
>>
>>
>> We are a Special Interest Group (SIG) in the AMA. The NSRCA advances our
>> interests to the AMA. The AMA represents all modelers within the
>> organization, but without our voice being heard, our segment of the hobby
>> would be forgotten, or at the very least not addressed. Many of you who
>> attend the Nationals (NATS) may not know that the AMA had initially
>> assigned the 2016 Precision Aerobatics NATS, to begin on July 5 th .
>> Because of the 4 th of July holiday, and because of the usual travel
>> involved by many to attend the NATS, this date was not acceptable. The
>> NSRCA immediately protested, and the contest date was changed to July 10th. So
>> as a pilot only interested in local contests, so what does not help me.
>>
>>
>>
>> Our purpose is best stated by the following:
>>
>> ?a. Act as a focal point for rules development and progression. Gather
>> intelligence from the AMA precision aerobatics community to provide the
>> basis for AMA rules change proposals.? Do we not usually follow FAI
>> anyways? Except for sportsman thru masters also what progression spell
>> it out, where ?
>>
>>
>>
>> You may recall that last year the NSRCA made rules change proposals to
>> the AMA, concerning telemetry, safety, specifically, electric motor arming,
>> transmitter impound, transmitter failsafe, and weight. These rule changes
>> were accepted by the AMA. These changes enhanced the safety of flying
>> precision aerobatics. How did it enhance safety ? same AMA safety rules
>> apply to everyone nothing specific for NSRCA only rules changed were to
>> keep up with the times and technology or everyone flying Futaba , JR
>> radios with battery level feedback would have been disqualified. So 80% of
>> the pilots would have been out.
>>
>> ? b. Promote precision aerobatics in the general R/C community by
>> providing leadership in all of the objectives of the society." You need
>> to explain this.
>>
>> " c. Enhance model precision aerobatics as a recognized sport." Exactly
>> where is it a recognized sport except among the pattern community. I do not
>> see it on TV or cable channels.
>>
>> " d. Develop and provide high standards in judging for competitions and
>> provide qualifications and achievement recognition for judges.? Well let
>> me say this. I read online and then take a test immediately afterward, but
>> no critical information like length of line or requirements , kinda leaves
>> it up to the individual and their perception of geometry. Need organized judging
>> clinics and not for 2 hours, try to remember all the sequences even with
>> Peters phenomenal scoring system . Judging is a crap shoot. So where is the
>> high standard for judging?
>>
>>
>>
>> The NSRCA sets standards for judging. Judging precision aerobatics in
>> District 1 is the same as in District 7. It is through the NSRCA judging
>> committee that the yearly judging review is published. Judging
>> recertification is free to members. (Of course non-members can also certify
>> for a nominal fee.)
>>
>> Again so what, If I do not go to Nationals who cares.
>>
>>
>>
>> The KFactor magazine ? The KFactor is the identity of the NSRCA. It is
>> published once a month. It is the life blood of your pattern community. The
>> magazine can be downloaded directly from the web site, or mailed directly
>> to you. The advent of digital download has greatly decreased publication
>> costs. And because of this digital capability, our editor, Scott McHarg,
>> has delivered the KFactor on time for several years. If it?s April 1st ,
>> the KFactor is available!
>>
>> Scott does a great job not knocking it but if I am paying dues for this
>> SIG I want the news and advertising free to everyone. I can look at Tower
>> Hobbies website free, I can even read articles online via news channels
>> free, why not this?
>>
>>
>>
>> There are many interesting articles in the KFactor, whether how to build
>> a particular pattern plane, or how to paint, or which color is best suited
>> for good visibility. The KFactor also provides a means by which your DVP?s
>> can communicate with their district members. Yes, they usually publish
>> contest results as part of their reports. However, contest schedules are
>> published before the beginning of the season. They may also offer a
>> building article from time to time. If you have an interesting article that
>> you would like to share with your pattern buddies, submit it to your
>> respective DVP for publications.
>>
>> Agreed great articles , but guess what I already built a plane, and read
>> on RC Groups and RC Universe and got the same information free way before
>> I joined NSRCA.
>>
>>
>>
>> The NSRCA web page ? The <http://nsrca.us> nsrca.us web page is your
>> source for nformation in our pattern community. It offers contest results,
>> KFactor access, sequences, judging, district news, and links to industry
>> manufacturers. Your Board of Directors are in discussions on how to enhance
>> our web page, and make it easier to navigate. Also, it has been suggested
>> that a separate link on the web site be dedicated only to building
>> articles. These articles will remain in this location indefinitely, for
>> reference by our members. So, in summary, it is to your advantage to join
>> (renew) your membership in the NSRCA. As you can see, there is a lot ?in it
>> for me?.
>>
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>> Today's Topics:
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>> 1. Growing Pattern for 2017 - Part 2 - Culture - What are we
>>
>> missing? (Larry Diamond)
>>
>> 2. Re: Growing Pattern for 2017 - Part 2 - Culture - What are
>> we
>>
>> missing? (Jay Marshall)
>>
>> 3. Re: Growing Pattern for 2017 - Part 2 - Culture - What are we
>>
>> missing? (Robert Campbell)
>>
>> 4. JR 12X (Olstinske Dale)
>>
>> 5. Re: JR 12X (Ed Alt)
>>
>> 6. Re: JR 12X (Jon Lowe)
>>
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>>
>> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 21:37:44 -0600
>>
>> From: "Larry Diamond" <ldiamond at diamondrc.com>
>>
>> To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>
>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Growing Pattern for 2017 - Part 2 -
>>
>> Culture - What are we missing?
>>
>> Message-ID: <000001d26c85$3ce115c0$b6a34140$@diamondrc.com>
>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Before Christmas, I posted an email challenging our culture as a concern
>> that prevents or limits growth in pattern.
>>
>>
>>
>> My intent here is to spark discussion by offering my opinion, which is
>> only an opinion. A healthy debate on our culture as a SIG may be a good
>> thing.
>>
>>
>>
>> I stated that our culture hasn?t changed since I joined the NSRCA in
>> 2003. Peter?s e-mail below and the Hardcopy K-Factor thread is a perfect
>> example of how our culture has not kept up with the times.
>>
>>
>>
>> Peter?s email below, and Ron Hansen?s, in the discussion ask a very basic
>> question that I don?t believe we as a whole have come to terms with:
>>
>>
>>
>> What is in it for ?me? to be a member -and- participate in contests?
>>
>>
>>
>> It is too easy to say, ?it?s the people? They aren?t willing to put in
>> the time, they aren?t willing to invest, they are not competative in
>> nature??
>>
>>
>>
>> For me, that is not the answer to the problem. I?m not sold that this is
>> the reason. It is a symptom, but not the root-cause. The problem we face in
>> growing pattern is selling our product, ?Pattern?. Yet, before we can sell
>> our product, we must understand what is it today.
>>
>>
>>
>> When pattern was popular, it was because many of us were struck by
>> somebody who was flying pattern and ?we wanted to be one of them?. I don?t
>> see this happening today other than hit and miss.
>>
>>
>>
>> Culture? Example? We want to take the hardcopy K-Factor away and only
>> limit access to a server base distribution mechanism that further limits
>> our audience. Why?, to save money for the NSRCA. I am perplexed and I say
>> what??? Is not the NSRCA a non-profit organization? Is increased membership
>> not the most stable way to generate funds? No?, its advertisers you say?
>> Didn?t somebody state that we are losing advertising dollars because the
>> businesses are not seeing the benefit from members? Is this concern not
>> related to the NSRCA membership population as a whole?
>>
>>
>>
>> >From my point of view, it is all connected to our culture.
>>
>>
>>
>> My recommendation is for the NSRCA Board to pull a committee together to
>> address the growth issue. We seem to discuss this every year. We also seem
>> to hover around the same membership population issues. Other than some
>> select folks giving a different spin at their contest, there is not much of
>> a push.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am a bit skeptical about the premise of another club class being the
>> answer to the growth problem. I am in agreement with those that believe
>> that is why we have the Sportsman class.
>>
>>
>>
>> Only my opinion, I could be wrong?
>>
>>
>>
>> What are your thoughts?????
>>
>>
>>
>> Larry Diamond
>>
>>
>>
>> From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>] On Behalf Of Peter Vogel via
>> NSRCA-discussion
>>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 3:13 PM
>>
>> To: Ron Hansen <rcpilot at wowway.com>; General pattern discussion <
>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hardcopy K-Factor
>>
>>
>>
>> The "What are the benefits" question comes up a lot. So much so, that
>> Charlie wrote an excellent article which you can find on the NSRCA.us web
>> site in the "new pilot info" section. The important stuff is reproduced
>> below:
>>
>>
>>
>> We are a Special Interest Group (SIG) in the AMA. The NSRCA advances our
>> interests to the AMA. The AMA represents all modelers within the
>> organization, but without our voice being heard, our segment of the hobby
>> would be forgotten, or at the very least not addressed. Many of you who
>> attend the Nationals (NATS) may not know that the AMA had initially
>> assigned the 2016 Precision Aerobatics NATS, to begin on July 5 th .
>> Because of the 4 th of July holiday, and because of the usual travel
>> involved by many to attend the NATS, this date was not acceptable. The
>> NSRCA immediately protested, and the contest date was changed to July 10th.
>>
>>
>>
>> Our purpose is best stated by the following:
>>
>> ?a. Act as a focal point for rules development and progression. Gather
>> intelligence from the AMA precision aerobatics community to provide the
>> basis for AMA rules change proposals.?
>>
>>
>>
>> You may recall that last year the NSRCA made rules change proposals to
>> the AMA, concerning telemetry, safety, specifically, electric motor arming,
>> transmitter impound, transmitter failsafe, and weight. These rule changes
>> were accepted by the AMA. These changes enhanced the safety of flying
>> precision aerobatics.
>>
>> ? b. Promote precision aerobatics in the general R/C community by
>> providing leadership in all of the objectives of the society."
>>
>> " c. Enhance model precision aerobatics as a recognized sport."
>>
>> " d. Develop and provide high standards in judging for competitions and
>> provide qualifications and achievement recognition for judges.?
>>
>>
>>
>> The NSRCA sets standards for judging. Judging precision aerobatics in
>> District 1 is the same as in District 7. It is through the NSRCA judging
>> committee that the yearly judging review is published. Judging
>> recertification is free to members. (Of course non-members can also certify
>> for a nominal fee.)
>>
>>
>>
>> The KFactor magazine ? The KFactor is the identity of the NSRCA. It is
>> published once a month. It is the life blood of your pattern community. The
>> magazine can be downloaded directly from the web site, or mailed directly
>> to you. The advent of digital download has greatly decreased publication
>> costs. And because of this digital capability, our editor, Scott McHarg,
>> has delivered the KFactor on time for several years. If it?s April 1st ,
>> the KFactor is available!
>>
>>
>>
>> There are many interesting articles in the KFactor, whether how to build
>> a particular pattern plane, or how to paint, or which color is best suited
>> for good visibility. The KFactor also provides a means by which your DVP?s
>> can communicate with their district members. Yes, they usually publish
>> contest results as part of their reports. However, contest schedules are
>> published before the beginning of the season. They may also offer a
>> building article from time to time. If you have an interesting article that
>> you would like to share with your pattern buddies, submit it to your
>> respective DVP for publications.
>>
>>
>>
>> The NSRCA web page ? The <http://nsrca.us> nsrca.us web page is your
>> source for nformation in our pattern community. It offers contest results,
>> KFactor access, sequences, judging, district news, and links to industry
>> manufacturers. Your Board of Directors are in discussions on how to enhance
>> our web page, and make it easier to navigate. Also, it has been suggested
>> that a separate link on the web site be dedicated only to building
>> articles. These articles will remain in this location indefinitely, for
>> reference by our members. So, in summary, it is to your advantage to join
>> (renew) your membership in the NSRCA. As you can see, there is a lot ?in it
>> for me?.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 5:18 PM, Ron Hansen via NSRCA-discussion <
>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org%20%3cmailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> What are the benefits of being a NSRCA member?
>>
>>
>>
>> You don?t need to be a member to participate in contests?
>>
>>
>>
>> I originally joined to get the Buyers Guide and the K-Factor.
>>
>>
>>
>> I didn?t start competing for several years after that.
>>
>>
>>
>> Couple of ideas I have is to go to quarterly newsletters and change our
>> model for advertisers. Perhaps each issue has coupons rather than just
>> advertisements. This would give companies feedback on how many people read
>> and buy products advertised in the K-Factor and our website.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto: <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounc
>> es at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>>
>> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of James Hiller via
>> NSRCA-discussion
>>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 7:02 PM
>>
>> To: 'General pattern discussion'
>>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hardcopy K-Factor
>>
>>
>>
>> Wow: I spent many years sitting in a desk chair in front of a PC. I'm
>> happy with reading the K-Factor on my monitor.
>>
>> Paramount to my continuing is the notice Scott sends every month telling
>> me it's ready for download. I save them in a folder and leave them open
>> until I'm finished reading them, sometimes as long as 10 days.
>>
>> I wouldn't like to see a dues increase to cover hard copy cost for those
>> that still want it and agree that a free copy may reduce membership.
>>
>> I'm here for the long run regardless of what is decided.
>>
>> Jim Hiller
>>
>> Spokane WA
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> From: NSRCA-discussion [ <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>>
>> mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>] On Behalf Of Tom Simes via
>> NSRCA-discussion
>>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:53 PM
>>
>> To: General pattern discussion
>>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hardcopy K-Factor
>>
>> On 01/04/17 12:37, David Harmon wrote:
>>
>> > Tom...that is an interesting twist that I had not considered....but
>>
>> > then I have always been a proponent of a 'members only' email list.
>>
>> > However....I like the idea of letting other modelers know of our long
>>
>> > term existence....but not to give away the farm.
>>
>> > Perhaps a second email list for NSRCA members could be considered for
>>
>> > K-F push distribution only....keeping the open 'chat' list as it is
>>
>> > that does not support attachments.
>>
>> As far as list server support, I'm more than happy to accommodate
>> whatever the community and BoD decides to do. A minor point of
>> clarification, the current NSRCA list configuration does allow attachments,
>> but is size limited to 500 KB per message per community request. Note that
>> the request dates from when dialup was still common and people didn't want
>> to wait 10 minutes to download a single message.
>>
>> That limit is easily configurable and I would have no issue bumping it up
>> to allow low resolution .pdf distribution of the K Factor either on the
>> existing -discussion list or on a dedicated list for K Factor distribution.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> ======================================================================
>>
>> "Z80 system stack overflow. Shut 'er down Scotty, she's
>>
>> sucking mud again!" - Error message on XENIX v3.0
>>
>> Tom Simes <
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>> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 08:51:37 -0500
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>> From: "Jay Marshall" <lightfoot at sc.rr.com>
>>
>> To: "'Larry Diamond'" <ldiamond at diamondrc.com>, "'General pattern
>>
>> discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Growing Pattern for 2017 - Part 2 -
>>
>> Culture - What are we missing?
>>
>> Message-ID: <000001d26cda$fe8a42f0$fb9ec8d0$@sc.rr.com>
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>> All I have read so far is the opinions of NSRCA members on why the
>> organization is growing. A good marketing plan would be to ask the
>> non-members why they are not interested, or what would entice them to
>> become involved.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jay Marshall
>>
>>
>>
>> From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>] On Behalf Of Larry Diamond
>> via NSRCA-discussion
>>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 10:38 PM
>>
>> To: 'General pattern discussion'
>>
>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Growing Pattern for 2017 - Part 2 - Culture -
>> What are we missing?
>>
>>
>>
>> Before Christmas, I posted an email challenging our culture as a concern
>> that prevents or limits growth in pattern.
>>
>>
>>
>> My intent here is to spark discussion by offering my opinion, which is
>> only an opinion. A healthy debate on our culture as a SIG may be a good
>> thing.
>>
>>
>>
>> I stated that our culture hasn?t changed since I joined the NSRCA in
>> 2003. Peter?s e-mail below and the Hardcopy K-Factor thread is a perfect
>> example of how our culture has not kept up with the times.
>>
>>
>>
>> Peter?s email below, and Ron Hansen?s, in the discussion ask a very basic
>> question that I don?t believe we as a whole have come to terms with:
>>
>>
>>
>> What is in it for ?me? to be a member -and- participate in contests?
>>
>>
>>
>> It is too easy to say, ?it?s the people? They aren?t willing to put in
>> the time, they aren?t willing to invest, they are not competative in
>> nature??
>>
>>
>>
>> For me, that is not the answer to the problem. I?m not sold that this is
>> the reason. It is a symptom, but not the root-cause. The problem we face in
>> growing pattern is selling our product, ?Pattern?. Yet, before we can sell
>> our product, we must understand what is it today.
>>
>>
>>
>> When pattern was popular, it was because many of us were struck by
>> somebody who was flying pattern and ?we wanted to be one of them?. I don?t
>> see this happening today other than hit and miss.
>>
>>
>>
>> Culture? Example? We want to take the hardcopy K-Factor away and only
>> limit access to a server base distribution mechanism that further limits
>> our audience. Why?, to save money for the NSRCA. I am perplexed and I say
>> what??? Is not the NSRCA a non-profit organization? Is increased membership
>> not the most stable way to generate funds? No?, its advertisers you say?
>> Didn?t somebody state that we are losing advertising dollars because the
>> businesses are not seeing the benefit from members? Is this concern not
>> related to the NSRCA membership population as a whole?
>>
>>
>>
>> >From my point of view, it is all connected to our culture.
>>
>>
>>
>> My recommendation is for the NSRCA Board to pull a committee together to
>> address the growth issue. We seem to discuss this every year. We also seem
>> to hover around the same membership population issues. Other than some
>> select folks giving a different spin at their contest, there is not much of
>> a push.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am a bit skeptical about the premise of another club class being the
>> answer to the growth problem. I am in agreement with those that believe
>> that is why we have the Sportsman class.
>>
>>
>>
>> Only my opinion, I could be wrong?
>>
>>
>>
>> What are your thoughts?????
>>
>>
>>
>> Larry Diamond
>>
>>
>>
>> From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>] On Behalf Of Peter Vogel via
>> NSRCA-discussion
>>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 3:13 PM
>>
>> To: Ron Hansen <rcpilot at wowway.com>; General pattern discussion <
>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hardcopy K-Factor
>>
>>
>>
>> The "What are the benefits" question comes up a lot. So much so, that
>> Charlie wrote an excellent article which you can find on the NSRCA.us web
>> site in the "new pilot info" section. The important stuff is reproduced
>> below:
>>
>>
>>
>> We are a Special Interest Group (SIG) in the AMA. The NSRCA advances our
>> interests to the AMA. The AMA represents all modelers within the
>> organization, but without our voice being heard, our segment of the hobby
>> would be forgotten, or at the very least not addressed. Many of you who
>> attend the Nationals (NATS) may not know that the AMA had initially
>> assigned the 2016 Precision Aerobatics NATS, to begin on July 5 th .
>> Because of the 4 th of July holiday, and because of the usual travel
>> involved by many to attend the NATS, this date was not acceptable. The
>> NSRCA immediately protested, and the contest date was changed to July 10th.
>>
>>
>>
>> Our purpose is best stated by the following:
>>
>> ?a. Act as a focal point for rules development and progression. Gather
>> intelligence from the AMA precision aerobatics community to provide the
>> basis for AMA rules change proposals.?
>>
>>
>>
>> You may recall that last year the NSRCA made rules change proposals to
>> the AMA, concerning telemetry, safety, specifically, electric motor arming,
>> transmitter impound, transmitter failsafe, and weight. These rule changes
>> were accepted by the AMA. These changes enhanced the safety of flying
>> precision aerobatics.
>>
>> ? b. Promote precision aerobatics in the general R/C community by
>> providing leadership in all of the objectives of the society."
>>
>> " c. Enhance model precision aerobatics as a recognized sport."
>>
>> " d. Develop and provide high standards in judging for competitions and
>> provide qualifications and achievement recognition for judges.?
>>
>>
>>
>> The NSRCA sets standards for judging. Judging precision aerobatics in
>> District 1 is the same as in District 7. It is through the NSRCA judging
>> committee that the yearly judging review is published. Judging
>> recertification is free to members. (Of course non-members can also certify
>> for a nominal fee.)
>>
>>
>>
>> The KFactor magazine ? The KFactor is the identity of the NSRCA. It is
>> published once a month. It is the life blood of your pattern community. The
>> magazine can be downloaded directly from the web site, or mailed directly
>> to you. The advent of digital download has greatly decreased publication
>> costs. And because of this digital capability, our editor, Scott McHarg,
>> has delivered the KFactor on time for several years. If it?s April 1st ,
>> the KFactor is available!
>>
>>
>>
>> There are many interesting articles in the KFactor, whether how to build
>> a particular pattern plane, or how to paint, or which color is best suited
>> for good visibility. The KFactor also provides a means by which your DVP?s
>> can communicate with their district members. Yes, they usually publish
>> contest results as part of their reports. However, contest schedules are
>> published before the beginning of the season. They may also offer a
>> building article from time to time. If you have an interesting article that
>> you would like to share with your pattern buddies, submit it to your
>> respective DVP for publications.
>>
>>
>>
>> The NSRCA web page ? The <http://nsrca.us> nsrca.us web page is your
>> source for nformation in our pattern community. It offers contest results,
>> KFactor access, sequences, judging, district news, and links to industry
>> manufacturers. Your Board of Directors are in discussions on how to enhance
>> our web page, and make it easier to navigate. Also, it has been suggested
>> that a separate link on the web site be dedicated only to building
>> articles. These articles will remain in this location indefinitely, for
>> reference by our members. So, in summary, it is to your advantage to join
>> (renew) your membership in the NSRCA. As you can see, there is a lot ?in it
>> for me?.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 5:18 PM, Ron Hansen via NSRCA-discussion <
>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>
>> What are the benefits of being a NSRCA member?
>>
>>
>>
>> You don?t need to be a member to participate in contests?
>>
>>
>>
>> I originally joined to get the Buyers Guide and the K-Factor.
>>
>>
>>
>> I didn?t start competing for several years after that.
>>
>>
>>
>> Couple of ideas I have is to go to quarterly newsletters and change our
>> model for advertisers. Perhaps each issue has coupons rather than just
>> advertisements. This would give companies feedback on how many people read
>> and buy products advertised in the K-Factor and our website.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto: <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounc
>> es at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>>
>> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of James Hiller via
>> NSRCA-discussion
>>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 7:02 PM
>>
>> To: 'General pattern discussion'
>>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hardcopy K-Factor
>>
>>
>>
>> Wow: I spent many years sitting in a desk chair in front of a PC. I'm
>> happy
>>
>> with reading the K-Factor on my monitor.
>>
>> Paramount to my continuing is the notice Scott sends every month telling
>> me
>>
>> it's ready for download. I save them in a folder and leave them open until
>>
>> I'm finished reading them, sometimes as long as 10 days.
>>
>> I wouldn't like to see a dues increase to cover hard copy cost for those
>>
>> that still want it and agree that a free copy may reduce membership.
>>
>> I'm here for the long run regardless of what is decided.
>>
>> Jim Hiller
>>
>> Spokane WA
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> From: NSRCA-discussion [ <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>>
>> mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>] On
>>
>> Behalf Of Tom Simes via NSRCA-discussion
>>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:53 PM
>>
>> To: General pattern discussion
>>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hardcopy K-Factor
>>
>> On 01/04/17 12:37, David Harmon wrote:
>>
>> > Tom...that is an interesting twist that I had not considered....but
>>
>> > then I have always been a proponent of a 'members only' email list.
>>
>> > However....I like the idea of letting other modelers know of our long
>>
>> > term existence....but not to give away the farm.
>>
>> > Perhaps a second email list for NSRCA members could be considered for
>>
>> > K-F push distribution only....keeping the open 'chat' list as it is
>>
>> > that does not support attachments.
>>
>> As far as list server support, I'm more than happy to accommodate whatever
>>
>> the community and BoD decides to do. A minor point of clarification, the
>>
>> current NSRCA list configuration does allow attachments, but is size
>> limited
>>
>> to 500 KB per message per community request. Note that the request dates
>>
>> from when dialup was still common and people didn't want to wait 10
>> minutes
>>
>> to download a single message.
>>
>> That limit is easily configurable and I would have no issue bumping it up
>> to
>>
>> allow low resolution .pdf distribution of the K Factor either on the
>>
>> existing -discussion list or on a dedicated list for K Factor
>> distribution.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> ======================================================================
>>
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>>
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>>
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>> Message: 3
>>
>> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 10:32:10 -0600
>>
>> From: Robert Campbell <rgc1701 at gmail.com>
>>
>> To: Larry Diamond <ldiamond at diamondrc.com>, General pattern
>>
>> discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Growing Pattern for 2017 - Part 2 -
>>
>> Culture - What are we missing?
>>
>> Message-ID:
>>
>> <CAHZQH3Pm7VqxpXF22hX8RW6bswom7X2H_hZ9vfq3542o-_JAWA at mail.gm
>> ail.com>
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>>
>> The entire hobby industry is in a down cycle. I read on-line that Hobbico
>>
>> missed a profit sharing payment to its employees. My LHS's business is
>>
>> down by a factor of SIX over just a few years ago. This leads me to
>>
>> believe a large part of the problem is concerns over the economy. Those
>>
>> who are unemployed and underemployed are not spending money on the hobby
>>
>> because they don't have it. Those who are still employed are cutting back
>>
>> on discretionary spending because they are concerned over losing their
>> jobs.
>>
>> Just my $0.02.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rob
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 9:37 PM, Larry Diamond via NSRCA-discussion <
>>
>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Before Christmas, I posted an email challenging our culture as a concern
>>
>> > that prevents or limits growth in pattern.
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > My intent here is to spark discussion by offering my opinion, which is
>>
>> > only an opinion. A healthy debate on our culture as a SIG may be a good
>>
>> > thing.
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I stated that our culture hasn?t changed since I joined the NSRCA in
>> 2003.
>>
>> > Peter?s e-mail below and the Hardcopy K-Factor thread is a perfect
>> example
>>
>> > of how our culture has not kept up with the times.
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Peter?s email below, and Ron Hansen?s, in the discussion ask a very
>> basic
>>
>> > question that I don?t believe we as a whole have come to terms with:
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > *What is in it for ?me? to be a member -and- participate in contests?*
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > It is too easy to say, ?it?s the people? They aren?t willing to put in
>> the
>>
>> > time, they aren?t willing to invest, they are not competative in
>> nature??
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > For me, that is not the answer to the problem. I?m not sold that this is
>>
>> > the reason. It is a symptom, but not the root-cause. The problem we
>> face in
>>
>> > growing pattern is selling our product, ?Pattern?. Yet, before we can
>> sell
>>
>> > our product, we must understand what is it today.
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > When pattern was popular, it was because many of us were struck by
>>
>> > somebody who was flying pattern and ?*we wanted to be one of them*?. I
>>
>> > don?t see this happening today other than hit and miss.
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Culture? Example? We want to take the hardcopy K-Factor away and only
>>
>> > limit access to a server base distribution mechanism that further limits
>>
>> > our audience. Why?, to save money for the NSRCA. I am perplexed and I
>> say
>>
>> > what??? Is not the NSRCA a non-profit organization? Is increased
>> membership
>>
>> > not the most stable way to generate funds? No?, its advertisers you say?
>>
>> > Didn?t somebody state that we are losing advertising dollars because the
>>
>> > businesses are not seeing the benefit from members? Is this concern not
>>
>> > related to the NSRCA membership population as a whole?
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > From my point of view, it is all connected to our culture.
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > My recommendation is for the NSRCA Board to pull a committee together to
>>
>> > address the growth issue. We seem to discuss this every year. We also
>> seem
>>
>> > to hover around the same membership population issues. Other than some
>>
>> > select folks giving a different spin at their contest, there is not
>> much of
>>
>> > a push.
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I am a bit skeptical about the premise of another club class being the
>>
>> > answer to the growth problem. I am in agreement with those that believe
>>
>> > that is why we have the Sportsman class.
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Only my opinion, I could be wrong?
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > What are your thoughts?????
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Larry Diamond
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > *From:* NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounc
>> es at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>]
>>
>> > *On Behalf Of *Peter Vogel via NSRCA-discussion
>>
>> > *Sent:* Thursday, January 5, 2017 3:13 PM
>>
>> > *To:* Ron Hansen <rcpilot at wowway.com>; General pattern discussion <
>>
>> > nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>
>> > *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hardcopy K-Factor
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > The "What are the benefits" question comes up a lot. So much so, that
>>
>> > Charlie wrote an excellent article which you can find on the NSRCA.us
>> web
>>
>> > site in the "new pilot info" section. The important stuff is reproduced
>>
>> > below:
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > We are a Special Interest Group (SIG) in the AMA. *The NSRCA advances
>> our
>>
>> > interests to the AMA*. The AMA represents all modelers within the
>>
>> > organization, but without our voice being heard, our segment of the
>> hobby
>>
>> > would be forgotten, or at the very least not addressed. Many of you who
>>
>> > attend the Nationals (NATS) may not know that the AMA had initially
>>
>> > assigned the 2016 Precision Aerobatics NATS, to begin on July 5 th .
>>
>> > Because of the 4 th of July holiday, and because of the usual travel
>>
>> > involved by many to attend the NATS, this date was not acceptable. The
>>
>> > NSRCA immediately protested, and the contest date was changed to July
>> 10th.
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Our purpose is best stated by the following:
>>
>> >
>>
>> > *?a. Act as a focal point for rules development and progression. Gather
>>
>> > intelligence from the AMA precision aerobatics community to provide the
>>
>> > basis for AMA rules change proposals.? *
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > You may recall that last year the NSRCA made rules change proposals to
>> the
>>
>> > AMA, concerning telemetry, safety, specifically, electric motor arming,
>>
>> > transmitter impound, transmitter failsafe, and weight. These rule
>> changes
>>
>> > were accepted by the AMA. These changes enhanced the safety of flying
>>
>> > precision aerobatics.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > *? b. Promote precision aerobatics in the general R/C community by
>>
>> > providing leadership in all of the objectives of the society."*
>>
>> >
>>
>> > *" c. Enhance model precision aerobatics as a recognized sport."*
>>
>> >
>>
>> > *" d. Develop and provide high standards in judging for competitions
>> and
>>
>> > provide qualifications and achievement recognition for judges.? *
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > The *NSRCA sets standards for judging*. Judging precision aerobatics in
>>
>> > District 1 is the same as in District 7. It is through the NSRCA judging
>>
>> > committee that the yearly judging review is published.
>>
>> > Judging recertification is free to members. (Of course non-members can
>> also
>>
>> > certify for a nominal fee.)
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > *The KFactor magazine* ? The KFactor is the identity of the NSRCA. It is
>>
>> > published once a month. It is the life blood of your pattern community.
>> The
>>
>> > magazine can be downloaded directly from the web site, or mailed
>> directly
>>
>> > to you. The advent of digital download has greatly decreased publication
>>
>> > costs. And because of this digital capability, our editor, Scott McHarg,
>>
>> > has delivered the KFactor on time for several years. If it?s April 1st ,
>>
>> > the KFactor is available!
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > There are many interesting articles in the KFactor, whether how to
>> build a
>>
>> > particular pattern plane, or how to paint, or which color is best suited
>>
>> > for good visibility. The KFactor also provides a means by which your
>> DVP?s
>>
>> > can communicate with their district members. Yes, they usually publish
>>
>> > contest results as part of their reports. However, contest schedules
>>
>> > are published before the beginning of the season. They may also offer a
>>
>> > building article from time to time. If you have an interesting article
>> that
>>
>> > you would like to share with your pattern buddies, submit it to
>>
>> > your respective DVP for publications.
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > *The NSRCA web page* ? The nsrca.us web page is your source for
>>
>> > nformation in our pattern community. It offers contest results, KFactor
>>
>> > access, sequences, judging, district news, and links to
>>
>> > industry manufacturers. Your Board of Directors are in discussions on
>> how
>>
>> > to enhance our web page, and make it easier to navigate. Also, it has
>> been
>>
>> > suggested that a separate link on the web site be dedicated only
>>
>> > to building articles. These articles will remain in this location
>>
>> > indefinitely, for reference by our members. So, in summary, it is to
>> your
>>
>> > advantage to join (renew) your membership in the NSRCA. As you can
>>
>> > see, there is a lot ?in it for me?.
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 5:18 PM, Ron Hansen via NSRCA-discussion <
>>
>> > nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> > What are the benefits of being a NSRCA member?
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > You don?t need to be a member to participate in contests?
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I originally joined to get the Buyers Guide and the K-Factor.
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I didn?t start competing for several years after that.
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Couple of ideas I have is to go to quarterly newsletters and change our
>>
>> > model for advertisers. Perhaps each issue has coupons rather than just
>>
>> > advertisements. This would give companies feedback on how many people
>> read
>>
>> > and buy products advertised in the K-Factor and our website.
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > *From:* NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounc
>> es at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>]
>>
>> > *On Behalf Of *James Hiller via NSRCA-discussion
>>
>> > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 04, 2017 7:02 PM
>>
>> > *To:* 'General pattern discussion'
>>
>> > *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hardcopy K-Factor
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Wow: I spent many years sitting in a desk chair in front of a PC. I'm
>> happy
>>
>> > with reading the K-Factor on my monitor.
>>
>> > Paramount to my continuing is the notice Scott sends every month
>> telling me
>>
>> > it's ready for download. I save them in a folder and leave them open
>> until
>>
>> > I'm finished reading them, sometimes as long as 10 days.
>>
>> > I wouldn't like to see a dues increase to cover hard copy cost for those
>>
>> > that still want it and agree that a free copy may reduce membership.
>>
>> > I'm here for the long run regardless of what is decided.
>>
>> > Jim Hiller
>>
>> > Spokane WA
>>
>> >
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>>
>> > From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>>
>> > <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>] On
>>
>> > Behalf Of Tom Simes via NSRCA-discussion
>>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:53 PM
>>
>> > To: General pattern discussion
>>
>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hardcopy K-Factor
>>
>> >
>>
>> > On 01/04/17 12:37, David Harmon wrote:
>>
>> > > Tom...that is an interesting twist that I had not considered....but
>>
>> > > then I have always been a proponent of a 'members only' email list.
>>
>> > > However....I like the idea of letting other modelers know of our long
>>
>> > > term existence....but not to give away the farm.
>>
>> > > Perhaps a second email list for NSRCA members could be considered for
>>
>> > > K-F push distribution only....keeping the open 'chat' list as it is
>>
>> > > that does not support attachments.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > As far as list server support, I'm more than happy to accommodate
>> whatever
>>
>> > the community and BoD decides to do. A minor point of clarification,
>> the
>>
>> > current NSRCA list configuration does allow attachments, but is size
>>
>> > limited
>>
>> > to 500 KB per message per community request. Note that the request
>> dates
>>
>> > from when dialup was still common and people didn't want to wait 10
>> minutes
>>
>> > to download a single message.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > That limit is easily configurable and I would have no issue bumping it
>> up
>>
>> > to
>>
>> > allow low resolution .pdf distribution of the K Factor either on the
>>
>> > existing -discussion list or on a dedicated list for K Factor
>> distribution.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > --
>>
>> > Tom
>>
>> >
>>
>> > ======================================================================
>>
>> > "Z80 system stack overflow. Shut 'er down Scotty, she's
>>
>> > sucking mud again!" - Error message on XENIX v3.0
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Tom Simes simestd at netexpress.com
>>
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>>
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>> > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.
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>> >
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>> > _______________________________________________
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>> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
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>> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
>> >
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>> >
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>> >
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>> >
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>> >
>>
>> > --
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Director, Fixed Wing Flight Training
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Santa Clara County Model Aircraft Skypark
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Associate Vice President, Academy of Model Aeronautics District X
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Treasurer, National Society of Radio Control Aerobatics (NSRCA)
>>
>> >
>>
>> > [image: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7163/6513778381_5569cc985d_m.j
>> pg][image:
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>> > https://googledrive.com/host/0B4LOPeyGAgOJUVJmU1dJMVl6WWc/Ac
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>> Message: 4
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>> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 12:06:58 -0800
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>> From: Olstinske Dale <sanjosedale at gmail.com>
>>
>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>
>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] JR 12X
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>> Message-ID: <966656AA-2987-474D-9A15-40988CB8D64D at gmail.com>
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>> I still have a few old JR 12x transmitters that I use for a lot of older
>> planes. I stupidly threw away the battery from one (it was dead) and now
>> discover there are no replacements available. I now need the cassette that
>> the battery is housed in, to install new cells. Does anyone have one of
>> these laying around, that you could part with?
>>
>> Contact me offline
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Dale
>>
>>
>>
>> sanjosedale at gmail.com
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>>
>> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 20:18:53 +0000
>>
>> From: Ed Alt <ed_alt at hotmail.com>
>>
>> To: Olstinske Dale <sanjosedale at gmail.com>, General pattern discussion
>>
>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] JR 12X
>>
>> Message-ID:
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>> <DM5PR12MB1322258EE66C046A429AB11BE8790 at DM5PR12MB1322.namprd
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>> Did you try Tony Stillman at Radio South?
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> > On Jan 12, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Olstinske Dale via NSRCA-discussion <
>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I still have a few old JR 12x transmitters that I use for a lot of
>> older planes. I stupidly threw away the battery from one (it was dead) and
>> now discover there are no replacements available. I now need the cassette
>> that the battery is housed in, to install new cells. Does anyone have one
>> of these laying around, that you could part with?
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Contact me offline
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Thanks,
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Dale
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > sanjosedale at gmail.com
>>
>> > _______________________________________________
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>> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
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>>
>> ------------------------------
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>> Message: 6
>>
>> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 14:20:03 -0600
>>
>> From: Jon Lowe <jonlowe at aol.com>
>>
>> To: Olstinske Dale <sanjosedale at gmail.com>, NSRCA
>>
>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] JR 12X
>>
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