[NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA-discussion Digest, Vol 134, Issue 8
Robert Campbell
rgc1701 at gmail.com
Fri Jan 13 06:18:30 AKST 2017
What ever happened to The Popular Front?
On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Keith Hoard via NSRCA-discussion <
nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
> These discussions always remind me of the scene in Monty Python’s “Life of
> Brian” where the rebels are arguing about whether to name their movement
> “Peoples Front of Judea”, or “The Judea Peoples Front”.
>
>
>
> Sent from my Windows 10 phone
>
>
>
> *From: *ronlock--- via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> *Sent: *Friday, January 13, 2017 7:11
> *To: *John Fuqua <johnfuqua at embarqmail.com>; General pattern discussion
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA-discussion Digest, Vol 134, Issue
> 8
>
>
>
> A strong Plus 1 for John's comments.
>
> Ron Lockhart 10 years as District II Contest Board Member
>
> On January 12, 2017 at 8:45 PM John Fuqua via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
> Unfortunately the benefits are not readily apparent but never the less are
> critical to our survival. I would offer that without NSRCA pattern would
> die. AMA is not in the business anymore to promote a particular
> activity. The Contest Board, all of which are NSRCA members, would have
> little or no direction without input from NSRCA. I have personal
> experience with this when the Board also did IMAC rules. No direction,
> input or consensus on direction. Yes NSRCA is not perfect but I
> challenge anybody to identify a single volunteer organization which is.
>
>
>
> I have said this a thousand times - If you want to change a rule submit a
> change. Anybody can. Cannot estimate how many times someone told me
> there needs to be a rule change and then did NOTHING.
>
>
>
> We need a single voice for the community so we have some
> input/influence. If you do not like it run for office and get you ideas
> out.
>
>
>
> Apologies my rant.
>
>
>
> John
>
>
>
> *From:* NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
> *On Behalf Of *STEVE S via NSRCA-discussion
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 12, 2017 6:15 PM
> *To:* nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA-discussion Digest, Vol 134, Issue
> 8
>
>
>
> *Here is my response to Peter Vogel comments **on Ron Hansens questions
> - ** See comments in red below.*
>
> I wrote this because I do not see any benefit to NSRCA other than
> nationals. What about the pilots who never intend to go to the nationals.
> AMA rules for pattern not NSRCA.
>
> So if NSRCA only for Nationals attendants and pilots do not go to NATS
> where is the benefit. If the question cannot be answered reasonably and
> with demonstrated benefits then getting in new pilots is a lost cause.
>
> Only been in it 5 years and becoming disheartened in NSRCA.
>
> Not here to discount anyone but answers are not being offered just
> rhetoric. Also just want to say I believe the people involved in pattern
> are of the greatest caliber. But change or die like it or not. We need to
> improve and come up with real answers. I do not have them just commenting
> on the same rhetoric I have heard since I started and guess what wearing
> thin with no improvement in sight.
>
>
>
> Steve Sobolewski
>
>
>
> The "What are the benefits" question comes up a lot. So much so, that
> Charlie wrote an excellent article which you can find on the NSRCA.us web
> site in the "new pilot info" section. The important stuff is reproduced
> below:
>
>
>
> We are a Special Interest Group (SIG) in the AMA. The NSRCA advances our
> interests to the AMA. The AMA represents all modelers within the
> organization, but without our voice being heard, our segment of the hobby
> would be forgotten, or at the very least not addressed. Many of you who
> attend the Nationals (NATS) may not know that the AMA had initially
> assigned the 2016 Precision Aerobatics NATS, to begin on July 5 th .
> Because of the 4 th of July holiday, and because of the usual travel
> involved by many to attend the NATS, this date was not acceptable. The
> NSRCA immediately protested, and the contest date was changed to July 10th. So
> as a pilot only interested in local contests, so what does not help me.
>
>
>
> Our purpose is best stated by the following:
>
> ?a. Act as a focal point for rules development and progression. Gather
> intelligence from the AMA precision aerobatics community to provide the
> basis for AMA rules change proposals.? Do we not usually follow FAI
> anyways? Except for sportsman thru masters also what progression spell it
> out, where ?
>
>
>
> You may recall that last year the NSRCA made rules change proposals to the
> AMA, concerning telemetry, safety, specifically, electric motor arming,
> transmitter impound, transmitter failsafe, and weight. These rule changes
> were accepted by the AMA. These changes enhanced the safety of flying
> precision aerobatics. How did it enhance safety ? same AMA safety rules
> apply to everyone nothing specific for NSRCA only rules changed were to
> keep up with the times and technology or everyone flying Futaba , JR
> radios with battery level feedback would have been disqualified. So 80% of
> the pilots would have been out.
>
> ? b. Promote precision aerobatics in the general R/C community by
> providing leadership in all of the objectives of the society." You need
> to explain this.
>
> " c. Enhance model precision aerobatics as a recognized sport." Exactly
> where is it a recognized sport except among the pattern community. I do not
> see it on TV or cable channels.
>
> " d. Develop and provide high standards in judging for competitions and
> provide qualifications and achievement recognition for judges.? Well let
> me say this. I read online and then take a test immediately afterward, but
> no critical information like length of line or requirements , kinda leaves
> it up to the individual and their perception of geometry. Need organized judging
> clinics and not for 2 hours, try to remember all the sequences even with
> Peters phenomenal scoring system . Judging is a crap shoot. So where is the
> high standard for judging?
>
>
>
> The NSRCA sets standards for judging. Judging precision aerobatics in
> District 1 is the same as in District 7. It is through the NSRCA judging
> committee that the yearly judging review is published. Judging
> recertification is free to members. (Of course non-members can also certify
> for a nominal fee.)
>
> Again so what, If I do not go to Nationals who cares.
>
>
>
> The KFactor magazine ? The KFactor is the identity of the NSRCA. It is
> published once a month. It is the life blood of your pattern community. The
> magazine can be downloaded directly from the web site, or mailed directly
> to you. The advent of digital download has greatly decreased publication
> costs. And because of this digital capability, our editor, Scott McHarg,
> has delivered the KFactor on time for several years. If it?s April 1st ,
> the KFactor is available!
>
> Scott does a great job not knocking it but if I am paying dues for this
> SIG I want the news and advertising free to everyone. I can look at Tower
> Hobbies website free, I can even read articles online via news channels
> free, why not this?
>
>
>
> There are many interesting articles in the KFactor, whether how to build a
> particular pattern plane, or how to paint, or which color is best suited
> for good visibility. The KFactor also provides a means by which your DVP?s
> can communicate with their district members. Yes, they usually publish
> contest results as part of their reports. However, contest schedules are
> published before the beginning of the season. They may also offer a
> building article from time to time. If you have an interesting article that
> you would like to share with your pattern buddies, submit it to your
> respective DVP for publications.
>
> Agreed great articles , but guess what I already built a plane, and read
> on RC Groups and RC Universe and got the same information free way before
> I joined NSRCA.
>
>
>
> The NSRCA web page ? The <http://nsrca.us> nsrca.us web page is your
> source for nformation in our pattern community. It offers contest results,
> KFactor access, sequences, judging, district news, and links to industry
> manufacturers. Your Board of Directors are in discussions on how to enhance
> our web page, and make it easier to navigate. Also, it has been suggested
> that a separate link on the web site be dedicated only to building
> articles. These articles will remain in this location indefinitely, for
> reference by our members. So, in summary, it is to your advantage to join
> (renew) your membership in the NSRCA. As you can see, there is a lot ?in it
> for me?.
>
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> Today's Topics:
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> 1. Growing Pattern for 2017 - Part 2 - Culture - What are we
>
> missing? (Larry Diamond)
>
> 2. Re: Growing Pattern for 2017 - Part 2 - Culture - What are we
>
> missing? (Jay Marshall)
>
> 3. Re: Growing Pattern for 2017 - Part 2 - Culture - What are we
>
> missing? (Robert Campbell)
>
> 4. JR 12X (Olstinske Dale)
>
> 5. Re: JR 12X (Ed Alt)
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> 6. Re: JR 12X (Jon Lowe)
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> Message: 1
>
> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 21:37:44 -0600
>
> From: "Larry Diamond" <ldiamond at diamondrc.com>
>
> To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Growing Pattern for 2017 - Part 2 -
>
> Culture - What are we missing?
>
> Message-ID: <000001d26c85$3ce115c0$b6a34140$@diamondrc.com>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Before Christmas, I posted an email challenging our culture as a concern
> that prevents or limits growth in pattern.
>
>
>
> My intent here is to spark discussion by offering my opinion, which is
> only an opinion. A healthy debate on our culture as a SIG may be a good
> thing.
>
>
>
> I stated that our culture hasn?t changed since I joined the NSRCA in 2003.
> Peter?s e-mail below and the Hardcopy K-Factor thread is a perfect example
> of how our culture has not kept up with the times.
>
>
>
> Peter?s email below, and Ron Hansen?s, in the discussion ask a very basic
> question that I don?t believe we as a whole have come to terms with:
>
>
>
> What is in it for ?me? to be a member -and- participate in contests?
>
>
>
> It is too easy to say, ?it?s the people? They aren?t willing to put in the
> time, they aren?t willing to invest, they are not competative in nature??
>
>
>
> For me, that is not the answer to the problem. I?m not sold that this is
> the reason. It is a symptom, but not the root-cause. The problem we face in
> growing pattern is selling our product, ?Pattern?. Yet, before we can sell
> our product, we must understand what is it today.
>
>
>
> When pattern was popular, it was because many of us were struck by
> somebody who was flying pattern and ?we wanted to be one of them?. I don?t
> see this happening today other than hit and miss.
>
>
>
> Culture? Example? We want to take the hardcopy K-Factor away and only
> limit access to a server base distribution mechanism that further limits
> our audience. Why?, to save money for the NSRCA. I am perplexed and I say
> what??? Is not the NSRCA a non-profit organization? Is increased membership
> not the most stable way to generate funds? No?, its advertisers you say?
> Didn?t somebody state that we are losing advertising dollars because the
> businesses are not seeing the benefit from members? Is this concern not
> related to the NSRCA membership population as a whole?
>
>
>
> >From my point of view, it is all connected to our culture.
>
>
>
> My recommendation is for the NSRCA Board to pull a committee together to
> address the growth issue. We seem to discuss this every year. We also seem
> to hover around the same membership population issues. Other than some
> select folks giving a different spin at their contest, there is not much of
> a push.
>
>
>
> I am a bit skeptical about the premise of another club class being the
> answer to the growth problem. I am in agreement with those that believe
> that is why we have the Sportsman class.
>
>
>
> Only my opinion, I could be wrong?
>
>
>
> What are your thoughts?????
>
>
>
> Larry Diamond
>
>
>
> From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>] On Behalf Of Peter Vogel via
> NSRCA-discussion
>
> Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 3:13 PM
>
> To: Ron Hansen <rcpilot at wowway.com>; General pattern discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hardcopy K-Factor
>
>
>
> The "What are the benefits" question comes up a lot. So much so, that
> Charlie wrote an excellent article which you can find on the NSRCA.us web
> site in the "new pilot info" section. The important stuff is reproduced
> below:
>
>
>
> We are a Special Interest Group (SIG) in the AMA. The NSRCA advances our
> interests to the AMA. The AMA represents all modelers within the
> organization, but without our voice being heard, our segment of the hobby
> would be forgotten, or at the very least not addressed. Many of you who
> attend the Nationals (NATS) may not know that the AMA had initially
> assigned the 2016 Precision Aerobatics NATS, to begin on July 5 th .
> Because of the 4 th of July holiday, and because of the usual travel
> involved by many to attend the NATS, this date was not acceptable. The
> NSRCA immediately protested, and the contest date was changed to July 10th.
>
>
>
> Our purpose is best stated by the following:
>
> ?a. Act as a focal point for rules development and progression. Gather
> intelligence from the AMA precision aerobatics community to provide the
> basis for AMA rules change proposals.?
>
>
>
> You may recall that last year the NSRCA made rules change proposals to the
> AMA, concerning telemetry, safety, specifically, electric motor arming,
> transmitter impound, transmitter failsafe, and weight. These rule changes
> were accepted by the AMA. These changes enhanced the safety of flying
> precision aerobatics.
>
> ? b. Promote precision aerobatics in the general R/C community by
> providing leadership in all of the objectives of the society."
>
> " c. Enhance model precision aerobatics as a recognized sport."
>
> " d. Develop and provide high standards in judging for competitions and
> provide qualifications and achievement recognition for judges.?
>
>
>
> The NSRCA sets standards for judging. Judging precision aerobatics in
> District 1 is the same as in District 7. It is through the NSRCA judging
> committee that the yearly judging review is published. Judging
> recertification is free to members. (Of course non-members can also certify
> for a nominal fee.)
>
>
>
> The KFactor magazine ? The KFactor is the identity of the NSRCA. It is
> published once a month. It is the life blood of your pattern community. The
> magazine can be downloaded directly from the web site, or mailed directly
> to you. The advent of digital download has greatly decreased publication
> costs. And because of this digital capability, our editor, Scott McHarg,
> has delivered the KFactor on time for several years. If it?s April 1st ,
> the KFactor is available!
>
>
>
> There are many interesting articles in the KFactor, whether how to build a
> particular pattern plane, or how to paint, or which color is best suited
> for good visibility. The KFactor also provides a means by which your DVP?s
> can communicate with their district members. Yes, they usually publish
> contest results as part of their reports. However, contest schedules are
> published before the beginning of the season. They may also offer a
> building article from time to time. If you have an interesting article that
> you would like to share with your pattern buddies, submit it to your
> respective DVP for publications.
>
>
>
> The NSRCA web page ? The <http://nsrca.us> nsrca.us web page is your
> source for nformation in our pattern community. It offers contest results,
> KFactor access, sequences, judging, district news, and links to industry
> manufacturers. Your Board of Directors are in discussions on how to enhance
> our web page, and make it easier to navigate. Also, it has been suggested
> that a separate link on the web site be dedicated only to building
> articles. These articles will remain in this location indefinitely, for
> reference by our members. So, in summary, it is to your advantage to join
> (renew) your membership in the NSRCA. As you can see, there is a lot ?in it
> for me?.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 5:18 PM, Ron Hansen via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org%20%3cmailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
> > wrote:
>
> What are the benefits of being a NSRCA member?
>
>
>
> You don?t need to be a member to participate in contests?
>
>
>
> I originally joined to get the Buyers Guide and the K-Factor.
>
>
>
> I didn?t start competing for several years after that.
>
>
>
> Couple of ideas I have is to go to quarterly newsletters and change our
> model for advertisers. Perhaps each issue has coupons rather than just
> advertisements. This would give companies feedback on how many people read
> and buy products advertised in the K-Factor and our website.
>
>
>
> From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto: <mailto:nsrca-discussion-
> bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>>
> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of James Hiller via
> NSRCA-discussion
>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 7:02 PM
>
> To: 'General pattern discussion'
>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hardcopy K-Factor
>
>
>
> Wow: I spent many years sitting in a desk chair in front of a PC. I'm
> happy with reading the K-Factor on my monitor.
>
> Paramount to my continuing is the notice Scott sends every month telling
> me it's ready for download. I save them in a folder and leave them open
> until I'm finished reading them, sometimes as long as 10 days.
>
> I wouldn't like to see a dues increase to cover hard copy cost for those
> that still want it and agree that a free copy may reduce membership.
>
> I'm here for the long run regardless of what is decided.
>
> Jim Hiller
>
> Spokane WA
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: NSRCA-discussion [ <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>> mailto:nsrca-discussion-
> bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>] On
> Behalf Of Tom Simes via NSRCA-discussion
>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:53 PM
>
> To: General pattern discussion
>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hardcopy K-Factor
>
> On 01/04/17 12:37, David Harmon wrote:
>
> > Tom...that is an interesting twist that I had not considered....but
>
> > then I have always been a proponent of a 'members only' email list.
>
> > However....I like the idea of letting other modelers know of our long
>
> > term existence....but not to give away the farm.
>
> > Perhaps a second email list for NSRCA members could be considered for
>
> > K-F push distribution only....keeping the open 'chat' list as it is
>
> > that does not support attachments.
>
> As far as list server support, I'm more than happy to accommodate whatever
> the community and BoD decides to do. A minor point of clarification, the
> current NSRCA list configuration does allow attachments, but is size
> limited to 500 KB per message per community request. Note that the request
> dates from when dialup was still common and people didn't want to wait 10
> minutes to download a single message.
>
> That limit is easily configurable and I would have no issue bumping it up
> to allow low resolution .pdf distribution of the K Factor either on the
> existing -discussion list or on a dedicated list for K Factor distribution.
>
> --
>
> Tom
>
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> Tom Simes <
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> From: "Jay Marshall" <lightfoot at sc.rr.com>
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> To: "'Larry Diamond'" <ldiamond at diamondrc.com>, "'General pattern
>
> discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Growing Pattern for 2017 - Part 2 -
>
> Culture - What are we missing?
>
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> All I have read so far is the opinions of NSRCA members on why the
> organization is growing. A good marketing plan would be to ask the
> non-members why they are not interested, or what would entice them to
> become involved.
>
>
>
> Jay Marshall
>
>
>
> From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>] On Behalf Of Larry Diamond
> via NSRCA-discussion
>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 10:38 PM
>
> To: 'General pattern discussion'
>
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Growing Pattern for 2017 - Part 2 - Culture -
> What are we missing?
>
>
>
> Before Christmas, I posted an email challenging our culture as a concern
> that prevents or limits growth in pattern.
>
>
>
> My intent here is to spark discussion by offering my opinion, which is
> only an opinion. A healthy debate on our culture as a SIG may be a good
> thing.
>
>
>
> I stated that our culture hasn?t changed since I joined the NSRCA in 2003.
> Peter?s e-mail below and the Hardcopy K-Factor thread is a perfect example
> of how our culture has not kept up with the times.
>
>
>
> Peter?s email below, and Ron Hansen?s, in the discussion ask a very basic
> question that I don?t believe we as a whole have come to terms with:
>
>
>
> What is in it for ?me? to be a member -and- participate in contests?
>
>
>
> It is too easy to say, ?it?s the people? They aren?t willing to put in the
> time, they aren?t willing to invest, they are not competative in nature??
>
>
>
> For me, that is not the answer to the problem. I?m not sold that this is
> the reason. It is a symptom, but not the root-cause. The problem we face in
> growing pattern is selling our product, ?Pattern?. Yet, before we can sell
> our product, we must understand what is it today.
>
>
>
> When pattern was popular, it was because many of us were struck by
> somebody who was flying pattern and ?we wanted to be one of them?. I don?t
> see this happening today other than hit and miss.
>
>
>
> Culture? Example? We want to take the hardcopy K-Factor away and only
> limit access to a server base distribution mechanism that further limits
> our audience. Why?, to save money for the NSRCA. I am perplexed and I say
> what??? Is not the NSRCA a non-profit organization? Is increased membership
> not the most stable way to generate funds? No?, its advertisers you say?
> Didn?t somebody state that we are losing advertising dollars because the
> businesses are not seeing the benefit from members? Is this concern not
> related to the NSRCA membership population as a whole?
>
>
>
> >From my point of view, it is all connected to our culture.
>
>
>
> My recommendation is for the NSRCA Board to pull a committee together to
> address the growth issue. We seem to discuss this every year. We also seem
> to hover around the same membership population issues. Other than some
> select folks giving a different spin at their contest, there is not much of
> a push.
>
>
>
> I am a bit skeptical about the premise of another club class being the
> answer to the growth problem. I am in agreement with those that believe
> that is why we have the Sportsman class.
>
>
>
> Only my opinion, I could be wrong?
>
>
>
> What are your thoughts?????
>
>
>
> Larry Diamond
>
>
>
> From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>] On Behalf Of Peter Vogel via
> NSRCA-discussion
>
> Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 3:13 PM
>
> To: Ron Hansen <rcpilot at wowway.com>; General pattern discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hardcopy K-Factor
>
>
>
> The "What are the benefits" question comes up a lot. So much so, that
> Charlie wrote an excellent article which you can find on the NSRCA.us web
> site in the "new pilot info" section. The important stuff is reproduced
> below:
>
>
>
> We are a Special Interest Group (SIG) in the AMA. The NSRCA advances our
> interests to the AMA. The AMA represents all modelers within the
> organization, but without our voice being heard, our segment of the hobby
> would be forgotten, or at the very least not addressed. Many of you who
> attend the Nationals (NATS) may not know that the AMA had initially
> assigned the 2016 Precision Aerobatics NATS, to begin on July 5 th .
> Because of the 4 th of July holiday, and because of the usual travel
> involved by many to attend the NATS, this date was not acceptable. The
> NSRCA immediately protested, and the contest date was changed to July 10th.
>
>
>
> Our purpose is best stated by the following:
>
> ?a. Act as a focal point for rules development and progression. Gather
> intelligence from the AMA precision aerobatics community to provide the
> basis for AMA rules change proposals.?
>
>
>
> You may recall that last year the NSRCA made rules change proposals to the
> AMA, concerning telemetry, safety, specifically, electric motor arming,
> transmitter impound, transmitter failsafe, and weight. These rule changes
> were accepted by the AMA. These changes enhanced the safety of flying
> precision aerobatics.
>
> ? b. Promote precision aerobatics in the general R/C community by
> providing leadership in all of the objectives of the society."
>
> " c. Enhance model precision aerobatics as a recognized sport."
>
> " d. Develop and provide high standards in judging for competitions and
> provide qualifications and achievement recognition for judges.?
>
>
>
> The NSRCA sets standards for judging. Judging precision aerobatics in
> District 1 is the same as in District 7. It is through the NSRCA judging
> committee that the yearly judging review is published. Judging
> recertification is free to members. (Of course non-members can also certify
> for a nominal fee.)
>
>
>
> The KFactor magazine ? The KFactor is the identity of the NSRCA. It is
> published once a month. It is the life blood of your pattern community. The
> magazine can be downloaded directly from the web site, or mailed directly
> to you. The advent of digital download has greatly decreased publication
> costs. And because of this digital capability, our editor, Scott McHarg,
> has delivered the KFactor on time for several years. If it?s April 1st ,
> the KFactor is available!
>
>
>
> There are many interesting articles in the KFactor, whether how to build a
> particular pattern plane, or how to paint, or which color is best suited
> for good visibility. The KFactor also provides a means by which your DVP?s
> can communicate with their district members. Yes, they usually publish
> contest results as part of their reports. However, contest schedules are
> published before the beginning of the season. They may also offer a
> building article from time to time. If you have an interesting article that
> you would like to share with your pattern buddies, submit it to your
> respective DVP for publications.
>
>
>
> The NSRCA web page ? The <http://nsrca.us> nsrca.us web page is your
> source for nformation in our pattern community. It offers contest results,
> KFactor access, sequences, judging, district news, and links to industry
> manufacturers. Your Board of Directors are in discussions on how to enhance
> our web page, and make it easier to navigate. Also, it has been suggested
> that a separate link on the web site be dedicated only to building
> articles. These articles will remain in this location indefinitely, for
> reference by our members. So, in summary, it is to your advantage to join
> (renew) your membership in the NSRCA. As you can see, there is a lot ?in it
> for me?.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 5:18 PM, Ron Hansen via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
> What are the benefits of being a NSRCA member?
>
>
>
> You don?t need to be a member to participate in contests?
>
>
>
> I originally joined to get the Buyers Guide and the K-Factor.
>
>
>
> I didn?t start competing for several years after that.
>
>
>
> Couple of ideas I have is to go to quarterly newsletters and change our
> model for advertisers. Perhaps each issue has coupons rather than just
> advertisements. This would give companies feedback on how many people read
> and buy products advertised in the K-Factor and our website.
>
>
>
> From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto: <mailto:nsrca-discussion-
> bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>>
> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of James Hiller via
> NSRCA-discussion
>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 7:02 PM
>
> To: 'General pattern discussion'
>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hardcopy K-Factor
>
>
>
> Wow: I spent many years sitting in a desk chair in front of a PC. I'm happy
>
> with reading the K-Factor on my monitor.
>
> Paramount to my continuing is the notice Scott sends every month telling me
>
> it's ready for download. I save them in a folder and leave them open until
>
> I'm finished reading them, sometimes as long as 10 days.
>
> I wouldn't like to see a dues increase to cover hard copy cost for those
>
> that still want it and agree that a free copy may reduce membership.
>
> I'm here for the long run regardless of what is decided.
>
> Jim Hiller
>
> Spokane WA
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: NSRCA-discussion [ <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>> mailto:nsrca-discussion-
> bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>] On
>
> Behalf Of Tom Simes via NSRCA-discussion
>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:53 PM
>
> To: General pattern discussion
>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hardcopy K-Factor
>
> On 01/04/17 12:37, David Harmon wrote:
>
> > Tom...that is an interesting twist that I had not considered....but
>
> > then I have always been a proponent of a 'members only' email list.
>
> > However....I like the idea of letting other modelers know of our long
>
> > term existence....but not to give away the farm.
>
> > Perhaps a second email list for NSRCA members could be considered for
>
> > K-F push distribution only....keeping the open 'chat' list as it is
>
> > that does not support attachments.
>
> As far as list server support, I'm more than happy to accommodate whatever
>
> the community and BoD decides to do. A minor point of clarification, the
>
> current NSRCA list configuration does allow attachments, but is size
> limited
>
> to 500 KB per message per community request. Note that the request dates
>
> from when dialup was still common and people didn't want to wait 10 minutes
>
> to download a single message.
>
> That limit is easily configurable and I would have no issue bumping it up
> to
>
> allow low resolution .pdf distribution of the K Factor either on the
>
> existing -discussion list or on a dedicated list for K Factor distribution.
>
> --
>
> Tom
>
> ======================================================================
>
> "Z80 system stack overflow. Shut 'er down Scotty, she's
>
> sucking mud again!" - Error message on XENIX v3.0
>
> Tom Simes <
> mailto:simestd at netexpress.com <simestd at netexpress.com>>
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> Message: 3
>
> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 10:32:10 -0600
>
> From: Robert Campbell <rgc1701 at gmail.com>
>
> To: Larry Diamond <ldiamond at diamondrc.com>, General pattern
>
> discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Growing Pattern for 2017 - Part 2 -
>
> Culture - What are we missing?
>
> Message-ID:
>
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> gmail.com>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> The entire hobby industry is in a down cycle. I read on-line that Hobbico
>
> missed a profit sharing payment to its employees. My LHS's business is
>
> down by a factor of SIX over just a few years ago. This leads me to
>
> believe a large part of the problem is concerns over the economy. Those
>
> who are unemployed and underemployed are not spending money on the hobby
>
> because they don't have it. Those who are still employed are cutting back
>
> on discretionary spending because they are concerned over losing their
> jobs.
>
> Just my $0.02.
>
>
>
> Rob
>
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 9:37 PM, Larry Diamond via NSRCA-discussion <
>
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
> > Before Christmas, I posted an email challenging our culture as a concern
>
> > that prevents or limits growth in pattern.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > My intent here is to spark discussion by offering my opinion, which is
>
> > only an opinion. A healthy debate on our culture as a SIG may be a good
>
> > thing.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > I stated that our culture hasn?t changed since I joined the NSRCA in
> 2003.
>
> > Peter?s e-mail below and the Hardcopy K-Factor thread is a perfect
> example
>
> > of how our culture has not kept up with the times.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Peter?s email below, and Ron Hansen?s, in the discussion ask a very basic
>
> > question that I don?t believe we as a whole have come to terms with:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > *What is in it for ?me? to be a member -and- participate in contests?*
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > It is too easy to say, ?it?s the people? They aren?t willing to put in
> the
>
> > time, they aren?t willing to invest, they are not competative in nature??
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > For me, that is not the answer to the problem. I?m not sold that this is
>
> > the reason. It is a symptom, but not the root-cause. The problem we face
> in
>
> > growing pattern is selling our product, ?Pattern?. Yet, before we can
> sell
>
> > our product, we must understand what is it today.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > When pattern was popular, it was because many of us were struck by
>
> > somebody who was flying pattern and ?*we wanted to be one of them*?. I
>
> > don?t see this happening today other than hit and miss.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Culture? Example? We want to take the hardcopy K-Factor away and only
>
> > limit access to a server base distribution mechanism that further limits
>
> > our audience. Why?, to save money for the NSRCA. I am perplexed and I say
>
> > what??? Is not the NSRCA a non-profit organization? Is increased
> membership
>
> > not the most stable way to generate funds? No?, its advertisers you say?
>
> > Didn?t somebody state that we are losing advertising dollars because the
>
> > businesses are not seeing the benefit from members? Is this concern not
>
> > related to the NSRCA membership population as a whole?
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > From my point of view, it is all connected to our culture.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > My recommendation is for the NSRCA Board to pull a committee together to
>
> > address the growth issue. We seem to discuss this every year. We also
> seem
>
> > to hover around the same membership population issues. Other than some
>
> > select folks giving a different spin at their contest, there is not much
> of
>
> > a push.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > I am a bit skeptical about the premise of another club class being the
>
> > answer to the growth problem. I am in agreement with those that believe
>
> > that is why we have the Sportsman class.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Only my opinion, I could be wrong?
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > What are your thoughts?????
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Larry Diamond
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > *From:* NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-
> bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>]
>
> > *On Behalf Of *Peter Vogel via NSRCA-discussion
>
> > *Sent:* Thursday, January 5, 2017 3:13 PM
>
> > *To:* Ron Hansen <rcpilot at wowway.com>; General pattern discussion <
>
> > nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>
> > *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hardcopy K-Factor
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > The "What are the benefits" question comes up a lot. So much so, that
>
> > Charlie wrote an excellent article which you can find on the NSRCA.us web
>
> > site in the "new pilot info" section. The important stuff is reproduced
>
> > below:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > We are a Special Interest Group (SIG) in the AMA. *The NSRCA advances our
>
> > interests to the AMA*. The AMA represents all modelers within the
>
> > organization, but without our voice being heard, our segment of the hobby
>
> > would be forgotten, or at the very least not addressed. Many of you who
>
> > attend the Nationals (NATS) may not know that the AMA had initially
>
> > assigned the 2016 Precision Aerobatics NATS, to begin on July 5 th .
>
> > Because of the 4 th of July holiday, and because of the usual travel
>
> > involved by many to attend the NATS, this date was not acceptable. The
>
> > NSRCA immediately protested, and the contest date was changed to July
> 10th.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Our purpose is best stated by the following:
>
> >
>
> > *?a. Act as a focal point for rules development and progression. Gather
>
> > intelligence from the AMA precision aerobatics community to provide the
>
> > basis for AMA rules change proposals.? *
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > You may recall that last year the NSRCA made rules change proposals to
> the
>
> > AMA, concerning telemetry, safety, specifically, electric motor arming,
>
> > transmitter impound, transmitter failsafe, and weight. These rule changes
>
> > were accepted by the AMA. These changes enhanced the safety of flying
>
> > precision aerobatics.
>
> >
>
> > *? b. Promote precision aerobatics in the general R/C community by
>
> > providing leadership in all of the objectives of the society."*
>
> >
>
> > *" c. Enhance model precision aerobatics as a recognized sport."*
>
> >
>
> > *" d. Develop and provide high standards in judging for competitions and
>
> > provide qualifications and achievement recognition for judges.? *
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > The *NSRCA sets standards for judging*. Judging precision aerobatics in
>
> > District 1 is the same as in District 7. It is through the NSRCA judging
>
> > committee that the yearly judging review is published.
>
> > Judging recertification is free to members. (Of course non-members can
> also
>
> > certify for a nominal fee.)
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > *The KFactor magazine* ? The KFactor is the identity of the NSRCA. It is
>
> > published once a month. It is the life blood of your pattern community.
> The
>
> > magazine can be downloaded directly from the web site, or mailed directly
>
> > to you. The advent of digital download has greatly decreased publication
>
> > costs. And because of this digital capability, our editor, Scott McHarg,
>
> > has delivered the KFactor on time for several years. If it?s April 1st ,
>
> > the KFactor is available!
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > There are many interesting articles in the KFactor, whether how to build
> a
>
> > particular pattern plane, or how to paint, or which color is best suited
>
> > for good visibility. The KFactor also provides a means by which your
> DVP?s
>
> > can communicate with their district members. Yes, they usually publish
>
> > contest results as part of their reports. However, contest schedules
>
> > are published before the beginning of the season. They may also offer a
>
> > building article from time to time. If you have an interesting article
> that
>
> > you would like to share with your pattern buddies, submit it to
>
> > your respective DVP for publications.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > *The NSRCA web page* ? The nsrca.us web page is your source for
>
> > nformation in our pattern community. It offers contest results, KFactor
>
> > access, sequences, judging, district news, and links to
>
> > industry manufacturers. Your Board of Directors are in discussions on how
>
> > to enhance our web page, and make it easier to navigate. Also, it has
> been
>
> > suggested that a separate link on the web site be dedicated only
>
> > to building articles. These articles will remain in this location
>
> > indefinitely, for reference by our members. So, in summary, it is to your
>
> > advantage to join (renew) your membership in the NSRCA. As you can
>
> > see, there is a lot ?in it for me?.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 5:18 PM, Ron Hansen via NSRCA-discussion <
>
> > nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > What are the benefits of being a NSRCA member?
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > You don?t need to be a member to participate in contests?
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > I originally joined to get the Buyers Guide and the K-Factor.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > I didn?t start competing for several years after that.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Couple of ideas I have is to go to quarterly newsletters and change our
>
> > model for advertisers. Perhaps each issue has coupons rather than just
>
> > advertisements. This would give companies feedback on how many people
> read
>
> > and buy products advertised in the K-Factor and our website.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > *From:* NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-
> bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>]
>
> > *On Behalf Of *James Hiller via NSRCA-discussion
>
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 04, 2017 7:02 PM
>
> > *To:* 'General pattern discussion'
>
> > *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hardcopy K-Factor
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Wow: I spent many years sitting in a desk chair in front of a PC. I'm
> happy
>
> > with reading the K-Factor on my monitor.
>
> > Paramount to my continuing is the notice Scott sends every month telling
> me
>
> > it's ready for download. I save them in a folder and leave them open
> until
>
> > I'm finished reading them, sometimes as long as 10 days.
>
> > I wouldn't like to see a dues increase to cover hard copy cost for those
>
> > that still want it and agree that a free copy may reduce membership.
>
> > I'm here for the long run regardless of what is decided.
>
> > Jim Hiller
>
> > Spokane WA
>
> >
>
> > -----Original Message-----
>
> > From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>
> > <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>] On
>
> > Behalf Of Tom Simes via NSRCA-discussion
>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:53 PM
>
> > To: General pattern discussion
>
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hardcopy K-Factor
>
> >
>
> > On 01/04/17 12:37, David Harmon wrote:
>
> > > Tom...that is an interesting twist that I had not considered....but
>
> > > then I have always been a proponent of a 'members only' email list.
>
> > > However....I like the idea of letting other modelers know of our long
>
> > > term existence....but not to give away the farm.
>
> > > Perhaps a second email list for NSRCA members could be considered for
>
> > > K-F push distribution only....keeping the open 'chat' list as it is
>
> > > that does not support attachments.
>
> >
>
> > As far as list server support, I'm more than happy to accommodate
> whatever
>
> > the community and BoD decides to do. A minor point of clarification, the
>
> > current NSRCA list configuration does allow attachments, but is size
>
> > limited
>
> > to 500 KB per message per community request. Note that the request dates
>
> > from when dialup was still common and people didn't want to wait 10
> minutes
>
> > to download a single message.
>
> >
>
> > That limit is easily configurable and I would have no issue bumping it up
>
> > to
>
> > allow low resolution .pdf distribution of the K Factor either on the
>
> > existing -discussion list or on a dedicated list for K Factor
> distribution.
>
> >
>
> > --
>
> > Tom
>
> >
>
> > ======================================================================
>
> > "Z80 system stack overflow. Shut 'er down Scotty, she's
>
> > sucking mud again!" - Error message on XENIX v3.0
>
> >
>
> > Tom Simes simestd at netexpress.com
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> > Treasurer, National Society of Radio Control Aerobatics (NSRCA)
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> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 12:06:58 -0800
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> From: Olstinske Dale <sanjosedale at gmail.com>
>
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
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> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] JR 12X
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> I still have a few old JR 12x transmitters that I use for a lot of older
> planes. I stupidly threw away the battery from one (it was dead) and now
> discover there are no replacements available. I now need the cassette that
> the battery is housed in, to install new cells. Does anyone have one of
> these laying around, that you could part with?
>
> Contact me offline
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dale
>
>
>
> sanjosedale at gmail.com
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> Message: 5
>
> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 20:18:53 +0000
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> From: Ed Alt <ed_alt at hotmail.com>
>
> To: Olstinske Dale <sanjosedale at gmail.com>, General pattern discussion
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> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
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> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] JR 12X
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> Did you try Tony Stillman at Radio South?
>
> Ed
>
> > On Jan 12, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Olstinske Dale via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > I still have a few old JR 12x transmitters that I use for a lot of older
> planes. I stupidly threw away the battery from one (it was dead) and now
> discover there are no replacements available. I now need the cassette that
> the battery is housed in, to install new cells. Does anyone have one of
> these laying around, that you could part with?
>
> >
>
> > Contact me offline
>
> >
>
> > Thanks,
>
> >
>
> > Dale
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > sanjosedale at gmail.com
>
> > _______________________________________________
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> Message: 6
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> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 14:20:03 -0600
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> From: Jon Lowe <jonlowe at aol.com>
>
> To: Olstinske Dale <sanjosedale at gmail.com>, NSRCA
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> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] JR 12X
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