[NSRCA-discussion] Landing - Rules Interpretation ???

[John Gayer]

Don,
I'm not finding anything in the rulebook about two meters. Only that not 
calling the landing is a one point deduction. The 2 meter wording has 
been in the maneuver description document forever and I'm not sure where 
it originated.
If the pilot does not call his landing, then the judge would have to 
deduct one point and rely on a two meter guideline.

I know pilots that call their landing by saying "next Maneuver is 
landing, beginning on my call" and then call "landing" somewhere 
appropriate on final. If they were to drop below two meters on final 
before their final call, how could they be penalized for a whoop-de-doo 
on final?

John

On 8/7/2017 5:59 AM, Don Ramsey via NSRCA-discussion wrote:
>
> Score the landing normally.  The pilot has not made any errors that 
> result in downgrade of the landing using the Competition Regs. The 
> model does not pass center more than twice, it is not in the landing 
> maneuver when the turn was executed because it is above 2 meters, and 
> it did not pass behind the judges.
>
> Another situation is model is on a low long approach and goes below 2 
> meters then pops up higher, flies some distance, then the pilot calls 
> landing.  I start scoring where the model first goes below 2 meters 
> not when the pilots makes his landing call.
>
> *From:*NSRCA-discussion 
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of *Larry 
> Diamond via NSRCA-discussion
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 6, 2017 10:04 PM
> *To:* 'General pattern discussion'
> *Subject:* [NSRCA-discussion] Landing - Rules Interpretation ???
>
> Review the AMA Pattern Rules as follows and then judge the scenario as 
> a “Zero” or “Scored Landing when called by the pilot”:
>
> */14. Flight pattern and maneuvering area (pg 17, AMA Radio Control 
> Aerobatics 2016-2017)/*
>
> */14.1. /*
>
> Each time the model passes in front of the judges, a maneuver must be 
> executed, except after takeoff and before landing, _where in each case 
> a maximum of two (2) passes may be made_. In the maneuver lists that 
> follow (U) and (D) denote mandatory maneuver orientation (Upwind 
> –Downwind). This orientation or Direction of Flight shall be 
> determined by the direction of takeoff. The direction is the 
> contestant’s choice and shall be announced to the judges prior to 
> takeoff. In all classes, entry into the maneuvering area for the first 
> maneuver after takeoff shall be in the same direction as takeoff.
>
> /14.1.1. /
>
> The contestant or helper may request a different landing direction to 
> that used for takeoff without penalty to avoid downwind landings. This 
> option may only be used if the wind direction changes after the 
> takeoff has started. If this option is used, a maximum of two (2) 
> passes in front of the judges may be used to position the model for 
> landing. _However, any turns used for positioning the aircraft may not 
> be made at center._
>
> */14.3. /*
>
> If an illegal pass (_crossing a line perpendicular to and centered on 
> the judges_) is made, _the maneuver which should have been executed 
> shall be scored zero (0)_.
>
> */Scenario/*
>
> On a final approach for landing, the pilot evaluates the glide path is 
> not correct and makes a 180 degree turn away from the flight line to a 
> downwind leg to restart the landing approach.
>
> */Consideration:/*
>
> 1)The pilot has not called the landing.
>
> 2) The pilot announces the aborted approach prior to the 180 degree 
> turn to downwind leg.
>
> 3) The plane never goes below 2m, roughly about 5+ meters when the 
> approach was aborted.
>
> 4) The 180 degree turn is completed without crossing the centerline.
>
> 5) Pilot calls landing on the next pass (approach) and lands the plane 
> successfully.
>
> */Do you: (please explain your conclusion and _reference the AMA rule_ 
> supporting it)/*
>
> A)Zero the landing because the pilot only gets one shot at the 
> approach once centerline is crossed on the downwind leg.
>
> B)Score the landing made on the second pass  (approach) as a normal 
> landing with no downgrades for the aborted approach.
>
> C)Other.
>
> LD
>
>
>
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