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Don,<br>
I'm not finding anything in the rulebook about two meters. Only that
not calling the landing is a one point deduction. The 2 meter
wording has been in the maneuver description document forever and
I'm not sure where it originated.<br>
If the pilot does not call his landing, then the judge would have to
deduct one point and rely on a two meter guideline.<br>
<br>
I know pilots that call their landing by saying "next Maneuver is
landing, beginning on my call" and then call "landing" somewhere
appropriate on final. If they were to drop below two meters on final
before their final call, how could they be penalized for a
whoop-de-doo on final?<br>
<br>
John<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/7/2017 5:59 AM, Don Ramsey via
NSRCA-discussion wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Score the
landing normally. The pilot has not made any errors that
result in downgrade of the landing using the Competition
Regs. The model does not pass center more than twice, it is
not in the landing maneuver when the turn was executed
because it is above 2 meters, and it did not pass behind the
judges. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Another
situation is model is on a low long approach and goes below
2 meters then pops up higher, flies some distance, then the
pilot calls landing. I start scoring where the model first
goes below 2 meters not when the pilots makes his landing
call.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
NSRCA-discussion
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Larry Diamond via NSRCA-discussion<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, August 6, 2017 10:04 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'General pattern discussion'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [NSRCA-discussion] Landing - Rules
Interpretation ???<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Review the AMA Pattern Rules as follows and
then judge the scenario as a “Zero” or “Scored Landing when
called by the pilot”:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:14.0pt">14.
Flight pattern and maneuvering area (pg 17, AMA Radio
Control Aerobatics 2016-2017)<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class="Default" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.5pt">14.1. </span></i></b><span
style="font-size:11.5pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="Default" style="margin-left:.5in"><span
style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman","serif"">Each time the model passes in
front of the judges, a maneuver must be executed, except
after takeoff and before landing, <u>where in each case a
maximum of two (2) passes may be made</u>. In the maneuver
lists that follow (U) and (D) denote mandatory maneuver
orientation (Upwind –Downwind). This orientation or
Direction of Flight shall be determined by the direction of
takeoff. The direction is the contestant’s choice and shall
be announced to the judges prior to takeoff. In all classes,
entry into the maneuvering area for the first maneuver after
takeoff shall be in the same direction as takeoff. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="Default" style="margin-left:1.0in"><i><span
style="font-size:11.5pt">14.1.1. </span></i><span
style="font-size:11.5pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span
style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman","serif"">The contestant or helper may
request a different landing direction to that used for
takeoff without penalty to avoid downwind landings. This
option may only be used if the wind direction changes after
the takeoff has started. If this option is used, a maximum
of two (2) passes in front of the judges may be used to
position the model for landing. <u>However, any turns used
for positioning the aircraft may not be made at center.<o:p></o:p></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="Default" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.5pt">14.3. </span></i></b><span
style="font-size:11.5pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span
style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman","serif"">If an illegal pass (<u>crossing
a line perpendicular to and centered on the judges</u>) is
made, <u>the maneuver which should have been executed shall
be scored zero (0)</u>.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span
style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman","serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:14.0pt">Scenario<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span
style="font-size:11.5pt">On a final approach for landing,
the pilot evaluates the glide path is not correct and makes
a 180 degree turn away from the flight line to a downwind
leg to restart the landing approach.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span
style="font-size:11.5pt"> <b><i>Consideration:<o:p></o:p></i></b></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span
style="font-size:11.5pt">1)The pilot has not called the
landing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span
style="font-size:11.5pt">2) The pilot announces the aborted
approach prior to the 180 degree turn to downwind leg.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span
style="font-size:11.5pt">3) The plane never goes below 2m,
roughly about 5+ meters when the approach was aborted.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span
style="font-size:11.5pt">4) The 180 degree turn is completed
without crossing the centerline.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span
style="font-size:11.5pt">5) Pilot calls landing on the next
pass (approach) and lands the plane successfully.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span
style="font-size:11.5pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:14.0pt">Do
you: (please explain your conclusion and <u>reference
the AMA rule</u> supporting it)<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt">A)</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman","serif""> </span><span
style="font-size:14.0pt">Zero the landing because the pilot
only gets one shot at the approach once centerline is
crossed on the downwind leg.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt">B)</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman","serif""> </span><span
style="font-size:14.0pt">Score the landing made on the
second pass (approach) as a normal landing with no
downgrades for the aborted approach.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt">C)</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman","serif""> </span><span
style="font-size:14.0pt">Other.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">LD<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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