[NSRCA-discussion] Competition

Mon Sep 19 16:27:43 AKDT 2016

True but let's face it it's a LOT easier to "get started" playing golf than
it is to get started flying Pattern. It's also a lot easier to find a golf
tournament than a Pattern contest. If I didn't have a good GPS I would have
never made it to some of the contests that I've flown in. Dr. Evil has more
signs pointing to his secret underground lair than we ever put up for a
Pattern Contest! LOL

John Pavlick

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From: Stuart Chale [mailto:schale1 at outlook.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 4:56 PM
To: jpavlick at idseng.com; General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Competition

And more importantly a lot of people play it and realize how good those guys
(and gals) really are.

Just a quick Google of number of people that played golf in the US per year.
Not sure of the accuracy but between 25 and 29 million.  

That's only about 25 to 29 million more than there are pattern fliers.
Taking rounding errors into account of course :)

Stuart

On 9/19/2016 4:22 PM, John Pavlick via NSRCA-discussion wrote:

That's because there's lots of $$$ involved in Pro Golf.

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From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
Behalf Of Vogel, Peter via NSRCA-discussion
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 3:54 PM
To: John Fuqua; General pattern discussion
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That's an excellent point.  Pro golf is *incredibly* boring to watch, yet
it's on TV *a lot*.  

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I like to compare it to pro golf.   Unless you have played you have no idea
of the difficulty.

From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
Behalf Of W Anthony Abdullah via NSRCA-discussion
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 2:21 PM
To: Peter Vogel; General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Competition

That I would agree with. It's like watching a plane fly a simple loop, vs.
watching the same loop with an explanation of downgrades like, wings not
level, entry and exit altitude changes, and overall roundness. It's that
understanding that increases the respect and interest in said maneuver.

That fact notwithstanding, pattern still is not a big spectator sport. It
just takes a special sort of person to appreciate it. Most people have the
same response my nephew has... Whatever...

Sent from my iPad

On Sep 19, 2016, at 1:07 PM, Peter Vogel via NSRCA-discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

>However, in terms of spectator interest, I would say our patterns are
analogous to the compulsories in figure skating.

>  I have thought about that before.  Other than the skater falling over, I
would have no idea how to judge skating.  Same > for most folks watching us
fly.

Having watched televised compulsories back in the 80's, the key is the
commentary.  Helping people to understand what they are watching for and to
build a mental "relationship" with the competitors so they feel the same
highs and lows as the competitor does during the flight.  

That's why I think we need to do a Demo video of a world class competition,
with expert commentary and color commentary from someone familiar with (but
not necessarily at the world class judging level).  Then market that demo
with ESPN, etc. and get it out there virally on YouTube.

At our annual airshow we do a live demo of precision aerobatics with me
doing the commentary around the maneuvers to be flown -- it's one of the
most popular demos (right next to turbines) and gets great feedback from an
audience of over 1000.

Peter+

On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Phil via NSRCA-discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

Not the "Compulsories", Ed...

They do figures that are required, and are judged on a 10-point scale.

However, in terms of spectator interest, I would say our patterns are
analogous to the compulsories in figure skating.  I have thought about that
before.  Other than the skater falling over, I would have no idea how to
judge skating.  Same for most folks watching us fly.

Phil Spelt, KCRC Emeritus
AMA 1294, Scientific Leader Member
SPA L-18, Board Member
Oliver Springs, TN  (865) 435-1476v  (865) 604-0541c

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I was speaking in terms of how exciting it is to watch, not the
"performance" itself.  Figure skating is closer to IMAC freestyle.

On Sep 19, 2016, at 10:28 AM, Peter Vogel <vogel.peter at gmail.com> wrote:

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