[NSRCA-discussion] New Club Class for Precision Aerobatics
Dr. Mike Harrison
drmikedds at sbcglobal.net
Wed Sep 7 12:51:38 AKDT 2016
I respect these suggestions but they are akin to treating a broken arm with aspirin and saying you'll be ok. There has to be a significant, expedient, profound change in the rules, encouragement, volunteerism, etc. won't do it. It has to be a change that is concrete and perpetual(lasting). Otherwise, just take an aspirin and go to bed.
Mike
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From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Tom Simes via NSRCA-discussion
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 3:15 PM
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Club Class for Precision Aerobatics
What about offering some kind of reasoned and documented scoring bonus in the feeder classes for using smaller aircraft?
On 09/07/16 12:07, Scott McHarg via NSRCA-discussion wrote:
> Mike's right. It won't work because a few can afford the 2M modern
> planes and if one can have it, they all must have it.
>
> *Scott A. McHarg*
> VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S. Research Pilot
> Texas A&M University
> PPL - ASEL
> Remote Pilot Certified Under FAA Part 107
>
> On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 3:04 PM, Dr. Mike Harrison via NSRCA-discussion
> < nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
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>> You are correct but human nature gets in the way. Making a rule to
>> limit this fixes a lot of issues. These smaller planes fly very well.
>> Got to create rules that perpetuate less expense and less difficulty,
>> just being voluntary is not gonna work.
>>
>> Mike
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>> *From:* Matthew Finley [mailto:rcfin02 at msn.com]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 7, 2016 2:28 PM
>> *To:* Dr. Mike Harrison <drmikedds at sbcglobal.net>; General pattern
>> discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>; 'Scott McHarg' <
>> scmcharg at gmail.com>
>> *Subject:* RE: [NSRCA-discussion] New Club Class for Precision
>> Aerobatics
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>> My thoughts are this, and only in my opinion.... I have the choice to
>> fly any aircraft I choose in any class I choose as long as it is
>> under 11 pounds, and no larger than 2 meter ( that's also pretty
>> loose, as I have never seen a scale taken out at a regular meet for
>> 13 years or more). If someone wants to go out and buy a 6s or 8s
>> capable aerobatic bird, and fly Sportsman, Intermesiate, Advanced, masters, or even FAI with it, go for it.
>> We all know that it will be smaller thus harder to judge, maneuvers
>> will be smaller, and etc.... But they are not required to have a 2
>> meter ship. I don't see why a rule change has to be implemented in
>> those regards as that is the way it is now ??
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>> Matthew E Finley
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>> Q.C.I Technical Assistant
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>> 248-794-8487 mobile
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>> -------- Original message --------
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>> From: "Dr. Mike Harrison via NSRCA-discussion" <
>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
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>> Date: 9/7/16 2:38 PM (GMT-05:00)
>>
>> To: 'Scott McHarg' <scmcharg at gmail.com>, 'General pattern discussion'
>> < nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Club Class for Precision
>> Aerobatics
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>> I am hesitant to get in this discussion but I want to express that I
>> believe we are in significant decline and I opine that it is because
>> of the expense, complexity and difficulty of flying and competing.
>> The fundamental reason, I believe, is the cost, complexity and burden
>> of time to simply use the current aircraft. I have drafted but not
>> submitted a rules change to affect that issue.
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>> Fundamentally, I submit that the beginning classes be restricted to
>> smaller aircraft with limitations of powerplant sizes.
>>
>> The existing current pilots flying in those classes have their
>> current aircraft grandfathered in.
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>> These classes would be sportsman, intermediate, and advanced.
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>> If you would research the cost of aircraft w 22volt systems vs our
>> current systems you will find the cost of smaller aircraft to be ¼ to
>> 1/3 the cost of the current 2m plane.
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>> The vast majority of parents will not spend $4000-5000 for their kid
>> to compete a few times in the beginning classes, nor commit a monthly
>> expense of $200+ or whatever to maintain. And then there is the crash
>> and destroy $1000’s in one aircraft. Even adults won’t commit to
>> that kind of expense themselves.
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>> There is more to this but that is the basic underlying cause of the
>> disease.
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>> Mike
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>> *From:* NSRCA-discussion
>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>] *On Behalf Of *Scott
>> McHarg via NSRCA-discussion
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 7, 2016 9:49 AM
>> *To:* tretas513 at yahoo.com; General pattern discussion <
>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Club Class for Precision
>> Aerobatics
>>
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>> Mr. Lukas and I were having an offline conversation. We were
>> discussing why the new guys aren't getting into pattern. The
>> question, essentially, was what's the difference between those getting into other facets vs.
>> pattern. This is my opinion and will be part of my article this
>> month in the K-Factor:
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>> The answer I'm about to give you makes it sound like all is lost. I
>> don't believe it is (which is why we came up with the Club sequence)
>> but let's just stick to what we know and what is obvious from the
>> assumption standpoint for a moment.
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>> The answer to your question can be one word only or it can be a
>> million adjectives of the same word. That word is "cool". The kids
>> coming up want instant gratification, want to be cool, want
>> notoriety, want to be thought of as the kid who can show off the
>> best. You simply can't do that with pattern. Have you watched the
>> fingers of these kids that fly 3D at Joe Nall or IRCHA? They're
>> slamming sticks. Then, watch the planes / helicopters and see how
>> much of the stick movement actually equates to control over the
>> aircraft. Half of the time is spent simply recovering from mistakes.
>> :)
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>> For some reason, the world has changed into a Social Media frenzy.
>> Kids feel like they're missing out if we as parents threaten to take
>> away their phones as punishment. Kids don't need to go outside to
>> talk to friends because they can do it on the couch with their
>> phones. They want instant gratification and instant knowledge. Most
>> of the time, their friends know what's going on before other people at the event know because of this.
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>> Pattern is nothing like this mentality at all. Pattern takes a lot
>> of practice (as you know) and patience and set up and checking to
>> make sure everything is perfect. Practicing is boring unless you're doing it.
>> There's no "wow factor". In my opinion, THIS is what we're battling.
>> In pattern, you actually have to fly the aircraft perfectly. There's
>> no gyro to make you look better (Quads, Helicopters and Drones),
>> there's not that much of an adrenaline rush (until you're in front of
>> the judges) and there's no screen to stare at like in FPV racing.
>> Pattern is an art and it takes that special person, the guy that
>> wants to be artistic, to be a pattern pilot. Our costs are high for
>> the best of the best which all of these kids want. They don't want a
>> 1980 Super Kaos to learn the skills required. In almost all other
>> facets, you can have quite good equipment, that is accepted by their
>> peers, for a lot less than what it would take to have a "not bottom of the line" pattern plane.
>>
>>
>> *Scott A. McHarg*
>>
>> VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S. Research Pilot
>>
>> Texas A&M University
>>
>> PPL - ASEL
>>
>> Remote Pilot Certified Under FAA Part 107
>>
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>> On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 9:40 AM, tretas513--- via NSRCA-discussion <
>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
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>> Most pattern fliers know why pattern is declining but won't admit
>> it...too much expense, too much time invested for practice and
>> traveling, and in my opinion (and a lot of others) turnaround sucks !
>>
>> Flying airplanes and competing is supposed to be fun...it used to
>> be...still is in SPA !!
>>
>> My entire SPA airplane ready to fly costs half what the engine in my
>> 2 meter cost and most SPA contests are one day meets...no motels !!
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>> Disclaimer: just my opinion !!
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>> *Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone*
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>> ------ Original message------
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>> *From: *Whodaddy Whodaddy via NSRCA-discussion
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>> *Date: *Wed, Sep 7, 2016 8:40 AM
>>
>> *To: *Jas S;
>>
>> *Cc: *General pattern discussion;
>>
>> *Subject:*Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Club Class for Precision
>> Aerobatics
>>
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>> 😎
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Sep 6, 2016, at 9:11 PM, Jas S <justanotherflyr at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Isn't that like hearing a Masters pilot say the roll on the top of a
>> loop shouldn't be in Masters lol. Love ya Gary
>>
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>> On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 2:46 PM, Whodaddy Whodaddy via
>> NSRCA-discussion < nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
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>> Sportsman isnt easy enough ????
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>> Not sure how it could get more basic ..
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>> But wat ever works lord knows we need something to attract new blood
>> or bring old blood back...
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>> G
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Sep 6, 2016, at 1:00 PM, Scott McHarg via NSRCA-discussion <
>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>
>> All,
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>> This is a note from Jon Carter from the NSRCA BoD. FYI!
>>
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>> Announcing the NSRCA “Club Class!
>>
>> Whether you want to call it Club class or Novice class or whatever,
>> it’s OK, as long as we get more people flying pattern! What is this?
>> Good question, we have heard from the membership that it would be
>> nice for the NSRCA to define a non-rulebook pattern entry level event
>> that a CD could offer if they so decided. This would be a
>> non-turnaround “old-school” type of pattern that any club flyer could
>> do and yet still be challenged by. It will give the CD the
>> opportunity to grab some of the “hot dog” type sport flyers at his
>> club, and maybe some old time pattern pilots, and hand them a
>> maneuver/downgrade sheet and say “come on out to the pattern contest
>> next weekend and see what you can do!” Who knows, if he can get three
>> or four club flyers to come out maybe some will think, “Hey, this is
>> fun! I could learn that Sportsman pattern” Worst case it will get
>> some more club flyers to participate in local events which always
>> makes it easier to “sell” a pattern contest to the local club
>> officers! So, dust off those older pattern planes and those sport
>> planes and come out and have some fun! Look on the NSRCA website under the Sequence tab for the maneuver list and descriptions.
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>> https://nsrca.us/index.php/sequences
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>>
>> *Scott A. McHarg*
>>
>> VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S. Research Pilot
>>
>> Texas A&M University
>>
>> PPL - ASEL
>>
>> Remote Pilot Certified Under FAA Part 107
>>
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