[NSRCA-discussion] 2017 Nats

Mon Oct 17 18:48:29 AKDT 2016

We have our BoD meeting tomorrow evening. We hope to hear more at that
time.

On Monday, October 17, 2016, Jeff <jeff at hillanalysis.com> wrote:

> I guess there is still no word on any agreement between NSRCA and AMA nor
> has the organizing meeting occurred. Correct?
>
> Jeff
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>
> *Time is a created thing. To say ‘I don’t have time’ is to say ‘I don’t
> want to.’ -Lao Tzu*
>
> On Oct 17, 2016, at 6:58 PM, Scott McHarg via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org');>> wrote:
>
> Please remember, the goal here is to prove that the concept works. Right
> now, the "thought" is to do this every other year and then Team Selection
> years in Muncie. It'd be great to rotate it but the simple fact is we need
> to prove the concept. After that, it'll be up to regions/states/areas to
> bring earnest proposals to the BoD for consideration. It will take a lot of
> work by a lot of people to hold this anywhere. We just got very lucky to
> have someone as dedicated as Mike Harrison to give this a try.
>
> On Monday, October 17, 2016, Patternpilot One via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org');>> wrote:
>
>> Why not go to a 4 year rotation.
>> Year 1 East
>> Year 2 West
>> Year 3 Muncie
>> Year 4 South
>>
>>
>> Sa.
>>
>>
>>
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>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Keith Black via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>
>> Date: 10/17/16 8:28 PM (GMT-05:00)
>> To: Ron Hansen <rcpilot at wowway.com>, General pattern discussion <
>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2017 Nats
>>
>> Ron, I hear you concerns. If it were in my backyard I may object to
>> moving it too. Please take this comment with the sincerity that's intended,
>> we have to keep in mind that it's the NATS, which should represent the
>> Nation, not just a particular region.
>>
>> Other sports I've been involved with (which have many more competitors)
>> always have traveling Nationals and it's always fun visiting different
>> venues.
>>
>> I will grant you that Muncie is an amazing facility and finding sites
>> that can host three simultaneous flight lines and have adequate hotels and
>> accommodations for all competitors will be quite challenging. However,
>> think of how much fun it would be to fly in different parts of the country!
>> :)
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Keith Black
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 7:01 PM, Ron Hansen via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-
>> discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>
>>> My sense in talking with folks at the D4 championships is that a
>>> majority of the “ D4 regulars” won’t make the trip to Arkansas.  So my
>>> guess is that this concept of moving the NATS will be a net wash. Mark is
>>> probably right that we will pick up some new “regulars” but we will also
>>> lose some old “regulars”.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> One other issue to consider is that, any time you host the NATS outside
>>> of Muncie you greatly increase the chance that the event gets cancelled by
>>> the host field for reasons beyond our control.  The chance of the NATS
>>> being canceled at Muncie is about nil.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I guess we will have to live and learn.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Atwood, Mark [mailto:atwoodm at paragon-inc.com]
>>> *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 8:26 AM
>>> *To:* Ron Hanson; General pattern discussion
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2017 Nats
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> While I don’t completely disagree with Ron about the Nat's moving south,
>>> I think we’re missing the point.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> First, I do have a dog in the fight having attended likely 20 of the
>>> last 25 Nationals or more.  Most in Muncie, but a several prior to that as
>>> well.   He’s correct in that it’s a planned vacation, and Arkansas will be
>>> no different if my schedule allows.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The point of Arkansas is not that it’s a better location, but rather a
>>> proof of concept that we have the organization where with all to move the
>>> competition ANYwhere other than Muncie.  It’s been so long, and we’ve
>>> become so accustomed to the convenience and amenities at the AMA, that any
>>> new location is going to have some learning pains.  But the sooner we try,
>>> the sooner we get through those.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Clearly moving West periodically (say every 3rd year?) is the goal.
>>> Admittedly having the Nat’s in my district is a HUGE convenience, but one
>>> I’m willing to forego to get broader participation.  And it’s not all about
>>> location in that once you attend a Nats, your desire to do so again is
>>> great increased.  So if we can pick up some southerner’s that try it for
>>> the first time, well, we might just get a few more regulars that start
>>> making the trip regardless of location.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike is the only one that stepped up with a plan, a venue, and a
>>> proposal.  It’s not perfect I’m sure.  But sooner or later we need to try.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In my opinion the bigger concern is the AMA and what they will do with
>>> our “slot” at the AMA facility should we choose to forego using it this
>>> next year.  We need to make sure we’ll get it back in subsequent seasons.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My $0.02
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> On Oct 17, 2016, at 7:42 AM, Ron Hansen via NSRCA-discussion <
>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I’ve only attended the NATS once because I have a work conference that
>>> normally overlaps with the NATS so I don’t have skin in the game but here
>>> are my thoughts.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Many who have been attending the NATS have been doing so consistently
>>> and reliably for years.  It is one of their scheduled vacations.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you move the NATS to different locations every other year you will
>>> lose many of those participants.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Also, Muncie is within a reasonable distance of the population center of
>>> the United States.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Perhaps every five years or so, we could move it West, like Colorado, to
>>> help with the west coast who really do have a long drive.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But moving it almost directly south makes no sense.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It just moves it further away from our population centers (e.g., NY,
>>> Detroit, Chicago, Cleveland, Indianapolis, Columbus, Pittsburgh, Canada,
>>> etc.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ron
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounc
>>> es at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of *tretas513--- via NSRCA-discussion
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 16, 2016 9:45 PM
>>> *To:* Matthew Finley via NSRCA-discussion
>>> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2017 Nats
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Why is that a mistake ? The whole world doesn't revolve around Muncie.
>>> All the discussions about getting more people in pattern but all I see in
>>> these discussions is nobody wants to make any changes !!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------ Original message------
>>>
>>> *From: *Matthew Finley via NSRCA-discussion
>>>
>>> *Date: *Sun, Oct 16, 2016 8:19 PM
>>>
>>> *To: *Jeff;General pattern discussion;
>>>
>>> *Cc: *
>>>
>>> *Subject:*Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2017 Nats
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hopefully they realize that having it somewhere other than Muncie would
>>> be a mistake. Just my two cents.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>
>>> From: Jeff via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<
>>> a="">> </nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<>
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>>> Date: 10/16/16 9:10 PM (GMT-05:00)
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>>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<
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>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2017 Nats
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>>>
>>>
>>> When is the Nets organizing meeting?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>> jeff at hillanalysis.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *The world is full of people whose notion of a satisfactory future
>>> is, in fact, a return to the idealized past. *
>>>
>>> Robertson Davie s, “A Voice from the Attic," 1960
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 16, 2016, at 9:52 AM, Randy Forbus <rforbus at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I believe its still in the discussion stage at the moment
>>>
>>>
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>>> *From:* NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> on
>>> behalf of Jeff via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 16, 2016 3:51 AM
>>> *To:* General pattern discussion
>>> *Subject:* [NSRCA-discussion] 2017 Nats
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Any news yet on whether the AMA and NSRCA have agreed on a venue for the
>>> 2017 Precision Aerobatics Nationals? Last I heard NSRCA was going to talk
>>> to AMA about it after Mike Harrison made a compelling proposal that it be
>>> in Arkansas.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>> jeff at hillanalysis.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Nothing is really work unless you would rather be doing something
>>> else. *
>>>
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