[NSRCA-discussion] 2017 Nats

Mon Oct 17 16:52:15 AKDT 2016

Why not go to a 4 year rotation.
Year 1 East
Year 2 West
Year 3 Muncie
Year 4 South

Sa.

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From: Keith Black via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: 10/17/16 8:28 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: Ron Hansen <rcpilot at wowway.com>, General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2017 Nats

Ron, I hear you concerns. If it were in my backyard I may object to moving it too. Please take this comment with the sincerity that's intended, we have to keep in mind that it's the NATS, which should represent the Nation, not just a particular region.

Other sports I've been involved with (which have many more competitors) always have traveling Nationals and it's always fun visiting different venues.

I will grant you that Muncie is an amazing facility and finding sites that can host three simultaneous flight lines and have adequate hotels and accommodations for all competitors will be quite challenging. However, think of how much fun it would be to fly in different parts of the country! :)

Sincerely,
Keith Black

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 7:01 PM, Ron Hansen via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:
My sense in talking with folks at the D4 championships is that a majority of the “ D4 regulars” won’t make the trip to Arkansas.  So my guess is that this concept of moving the NATS will be a net wash. Mark is probably right that we will pick up some new “regulars” but we will also lose some old “regulars”.

One other issue to consider is that, any time you host the NATS outside of Muncie you greatly increase the chance that the event gets cancelled by the host field for reasons beyond our control.  The chance of the NATS being canceled at Muncie is about nil.

I guess we will have to live and learn.

From: Atwood, Mark [mailto:atwoodm at paragon-inc.com<mailto:atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>]
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 8:26 AM
To: Ron Hanson; General pattern discussion

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2017 Nats

While I don’t completely disagree with Ron about the Nat's moving south, I think we’re missing the point.

First, I do have a dog in the fight having attended likely 20 of the last 25 Nationals or more.  Most in Muncie, but a several prior to that as well.   He’s correct in that it’s a planned vacation, and Arkansas will be no different if my schedule allows.

The point of Arkansas is not that it’s a better location, but rather a proof of concept that we have the organization where with all to move the competition ANYwhere other than Muncie.  It’s been so long, and we’ve become so accustomed to the convenience and amenities at the AMA, that any new location is going to have some learning pains.  But the sooner we try, the sooner we get through those.

Clearly moving West periodically (say every 3rd year?) is the goal.  Admittedly having the Nat’s in my district is a HUGE convenience, but one I’m willing to forego to get broader participation.  And it’s not all about location in that once you attend a Nats, your desire to do so again is great increased.  So if we can pick up some southerner’s that try it for the first time, well, we might just get a few more regulars that start making the trip regardless of location.

Mike is the only one that stepped up with a plan, a venue, and a proposal.  It’s not perfect I’m sure.  But sooner or later we need to try.

In my opinion the bigger concern is the AMA and what they will do with our “slot” at the AMA facility should we choose to forego using it this next year.  We need to make sure we’ll get it back in subsequent seasons.

My $0.02

-Mark

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On Oct 17, 2016, at 7:42 AM, Ron Hansen via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:

I’ve only attended the NATS once because I have a work conference that normally overlaps with the NATS so I don’t have skin in the game but here are my thoughts.

Many who have been attending the NATS have been doing so consistently and reliably for years.  It is one of their scheduled vacations.

If you move the NATS to different locations every other year you will lose many of those participants.

Also, Muncie is within a reasonable distance of the population center of the United States.

Perhaps every five years or so, we could move it West, like Colorado, to help with the west coast who really do have a long drive.

But moving it almost directly south makes no sense.

It just moves it further away from our population centers (e.g., NY, Detroit, Chicago, Cleveland, Indianapolis, Columbus, Pittsburgh, Canada, etc.)

Ron

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Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 9:45 PM
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2017 Nats

Why is that a mistake ? The whole world doesn't revolve around Muncie. All the discussions about getting more people in pattern but all I see in these discussions is nobody wants to make any changes !!

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Date: Sun, Oct 16, 2016 8:19 PM
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Hopefully they realize that having it somewhere other than Muncie would be a mistake. Just my two cents.

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When is the Nets organizing meeting?

Jeff
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On Oct 16, 2016, at 9:52 AM, Randy Forbus <rforbus at hotmail.com<mailto:rforbus at hotmail.com>> wrote:

I believe its still in the discussion stage at the moment

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Any news yet on whether the AMA and NSRCA have agreed on a venue for the 2017 Precision Aerobatics Nationals? Last I heard NSRCA was going to talk to AMA about it after Mike Harrison made a compelling proposal that it be in Arkansas.

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