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<div>Why not go to a 4 year rotation. </div>
<div>Year 1 East </div>
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Date: 10/17/16 8:28 PM (GMT-05:00) <br>
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<div dir="ltr">Ron, I hear you concerns. If it were in my backyard I may object to moving it too. Please take this comment with the sincerity that's intended, we have to keep in mind that it's the NATS, which should represent the Nation, not just a particular
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<div>Other sports I've been involved with (which have many more competitors) always have traveling Nationals and it's always fun visiting different venues.</div>
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<div>I will grant you that Muncie is an amazing facility and finding sites that can host three simultaneous flight lines and have adequate hotels and accommodations for all competitors will be quite challenging. However, think of how much fun it would be to
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1f497d">My sense in talking with folks at the D4 championships is that a majority of the “ D4 regulars” won’t make the trip to Arkansas. So my guess is that this
concept of moving the NATS will be a net wash. Mark is probably right that we will pick up some new “regulars” but we will also lose some old “regulars”.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1f497d">One other issue to consider is that, any time you host the NATS outside of Muncie you greatly increase the chance that the event gets cancelled by the host
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<p class="MsoNormal">First, I do have a dog in the fight having attended likely 20 of the last 25 Nationals or more. Most in Muncie, but a several prior to that as well. He’s correct in that it’s a planned vacation, and Arkansas will be no different if my
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<p class="MsoNormal">The point of Arkansas is not that it’s a better location, but rather a proof of concept that we have the organization where with all to move the competition ANYwhere other than Muncie. It’s been so long, and we’ve become so accustomed
to the convenience and amenities at the AMA, that any new location is going to have some learning pains. But the sooner we try, the sooner we get through those.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Clearly moving West periodically (say every 3rd year?) is the goal. Admittedly having the Nat’s in my district is a HUGE convenience, but one I’m willing to forego to get broader participation. And it’s not all about location in that
once you attend a Nats, your desire to do so again is great increased. So if we can pick up some southerner’s that try it for the first time, well, we might just get a few more regulars that start making the trip regardless of location.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Mike is the only one that stepped up with a plan, a venue, and a proposal. It’s not perfect I’m sure. But sooner or later we need to try.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In my opinion the bigger concern is the AMA and what they will do with our “slot” at the AMA facility should we choose to forego using it this next year. We need to make sure we’ll get it back in subsequent seasons.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Why is that a mistake ? The whole world doesn't revolve around Muncie. All the discussions about getting more people in pattern but all I see in these discussions is nobody wants to make any changes !!</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">From:<span class="m_513503020609613026apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Matthew Finley via NSRCA-discussion<span class="m_513503020609613026apple-converted-space"> </span></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Date:<span class="m_513503020609613026apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Sun, Oct 16, 2016 8:19 PM</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">To:<span class="m_513503020609613026apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Jeff;General pattern discussion;</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Hopefully they realize that having it somewhere other than Muncie would be a mistake. Just my two cents. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">On Oct 16, 2016, at 9:52 AM, Randy Forbus <<a href="mailto:rforbus@hotmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">rforbus@hotmail.com</span></a>> wrote:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">nsrca-discussion-bounces@<wbr>lists.nsrca.org</span></a>> on behalf of Jeff via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.<wbr>org</span></a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="m_513503020609613026apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday, October 16, 2016 3:51 AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="m_513503020609613026apple-converted-space"> </span>General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class="m_513503020609613026apple-converted-space"> </span>[NSRCA-discussion] 2017 Nats</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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