[NSRCA-discussion] 2017 Nats

Mon Oct 17 07:56:28 AKDT 2016

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From: Keith Black via NSRCA-discussion 
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 10:19 AM
To: Atwood, Mark ; General pattern discussion 
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2017 Nats

I think it's an excellent idea to have NATS travel occasionally.  When I was a wee little boy my father took me to a very large control line event held here in Dallas. Had it not been for that experience to spur on my interest I may never have developed the passion for model aviation. 

To the argument that people that live close to Muncie will have to travel further... boo hoo. Come on guys, people have been traveling all the way to Muncie since 1996 when the NATS stopped traveling. Sure, somewhere in the west would be great, but we have Mike Harrison volunteering an excellent location in Arkansas so let's give it a try. 

BTW, yes, the NATS always traveled until 1996, check out this link: http://www.modelaircraft.org/museum/hisfacs/factoids_july.aspx

As to Mike, he's been a respected sponsored pilot, airplane designer and builder and successful CD since WAY before 98% of us even knew about pattern.

To occasionally move NATS will increase our exposure around the country, be more equitable to people traveling and frankly be a lot more interesting!

Keith Black

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 7:26 AM, Atwood, Mark via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

  While I don’t completely disagree with Ron about the Nat's moving south, I think we’re missing the point.    

  First, I do have a dog in the fight having attended likely 20 of the last 25 Nationals or more.  Most in Muncie, but a several prior to that as well.   He’s correct in that it’s a planned vacation, and Arkansas will be no different if my schedule allows.  

  The point of Arkansas is not that it’s a better location, but rather a proof of concept that we have the organization where with all to move the competition ANYwhere other than Muncie.  It’s been so long, and we’ve become so accustomed to the convenience and amenities at the AMA, that any new location is going to have some learning pains.  But the sooner we try, the sooner we get through those.

  Clearly moving West periodically (say every 3rd year?) is the goal.  Admittedly having the Nat’s in my district is a HUGE convenience, but one I’m willing to forego to get broader participation.  And it’s not all about location in that once you attend a Nats, your desire to do so again is great increased.  So if we can pick up some southerner’s that try it for the first time, well, we might just get a few more regulars that start making the trip regardless of location.

  Mike is the only one that stepped up with a plan, a venue, and a proposal.  It’s not perfect I’m sure.  But sooner or later we need to try.

  In my opinion the bigger concern is the AMA and what they will do with our “slot” at the AMA facility should we choose to forego using it this next year.  We need to make sure we’ll get it back in subsequent seasons.

  My $0.02

  -Mark

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  On Oct 17, 2016, at 7:42 AM, Ron Hansen via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

  I’ve only attended the NATS once because I have a work conference that normally overlaps with the NATS so I don’t have skin in the game but here are my thoughts.

  Many who have been attending the NATS have been doing so consistently and reliably for years.  It is one of their scheduled vacations.

  If you move the NATS to different locations every other year you will lose many of those participants.

  Also, Muncie is within a reasonable distance of the population center of the United States.

  Perhaps every five years or so, we could move it West, like Colorado, to help with the west coast who really do have a long drive.

  But moving it almost directly south makes no sense.

  It just moves it further away from our population centers (e.g., NY, Detroit, Chicago, Cleveland, Indianapolis, Columbus, Pittsburgh, Canada, etc.)

  Ron

  From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of tretas513--- via NSRCA-discussion
  Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 9:45 PM
  To: Matthew Finley via NSRCA-discussion
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2017 Nats

  Why is that a mistake ? The whole world doesn't revolve around Muncie. All the discussions about getting more people in pattern but all I see in these discussions is nobody wants to make any changes !!

  Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

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  From: Matthew Finley via NSRCA-discussion 
  Date: Sun, Oct 16, 2016 8:19 PM
  To: Jeff;General pattern discussion;
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  Subject:Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2017 Nats

  Hopefully they realize that having it somewhere other than Muncie would be a mistake. Just my two cents. 

  Matthew E Finley
  Q.C.I Technical Assistant
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  From: Jeff via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org< a="">> </nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<>
  Date: 10/16/16 9:10 PM (GMT-05:00) 
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  When is the Nets organizing meeting?

  Jeff
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    On Oct 16, 2016, at 9:52 AM, Randy Forbus <rforbus at hotmail.com> wrote:

    I believe its still in the discussion stage at the moment

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    Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 3:51 AM
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    Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2017 Nats

    Any news yet on whether the AMA and NSRCA have agreed on a venue for the 2017 Precision Aerobatics Nationals? Last I heard NSRCA was going to talk to AMA about it after Mike Harrison made a compelling proposal that it be in Arkansas.

    Jeff
    jeff at hillanalysis.com

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