[NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A

Mon Nov 14 13:29:33 AKST 2016

I've had 42 volts overcome my skin resistance already!  :)

*Scott A. McHarg*
VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S. Research Pilot
Texas A&M University
PPL - ASEL
Remote Pilot Certified Under FAA Part 107

On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 4:28 PM, Robert Campbell <rgc1701 at gmail.com> wrote:

> But it takes volts to overcome skin resistance.
>
>
> Rob
>
> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 4:24 PM, Scott McHarg via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Tom,
>>
>> You may be right but keep in mind, it's not the voltage that kills you,
>> it's the amps.
>>
>> *Scott A. McHarg*
>> VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S. Research Pilot
>> Texas A&M University
>> PPL - ASEL
>> Remote Pilot Certified Under FAA Part 107
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 4:17 PM, Koenig, Tom via NSRCA-discussion <
>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Interesting discussion about the batteries. I thought the rule was 42 V
>>> DC.  Are there not serious health implications, i.e.  just how much the
>>> body can take? I was always under the impression the rule was safety based
>>> and is why the FAI imposed the 42 V rule all those years ago?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am purely going off what is bouncing around in my head…but I doubt,
>>> the FAI will change a rule if its safety based?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounc
>>> es at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of *Atwood, Mark via NSRCA-discussion
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 15 November 2016 6:09 AM
>>> *To:* Dave Burton; General pattern discussion
>>> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I’m pretty  sure all we’d get is a rapid movement back to Glow which has
>>> no bound for displacement and therefore power.  At least in FAI and
>>> Masters.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> On Nov 14, 2016, at 1:23 PM, Dave Burton via NSRCA-discussion <
>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Let's cut cost and increase participation by reducing to 8S rather than
>>> 12S. Airplanes will be smaller and cheaper, batteries will be cheaper, and
>>> we won't have to worry about the weight limit. We won't have to worry about
>>> the 2M  biplanes that will be bigger (the logic of that argument about the
>>> weight limit gives me a migraine trying to understand how 2 meters becomes
>>> bigger).
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounc
>>> es at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Bill Pritchett via NSRCA-discussion
>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 14, 2016 12:08 PM
>>> *To:* Atwood, Mark; Andrew Jesky; General pattern discussion; General
>>> pattern discussion
>>> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> Adding the option of 12S is about efficiency, being nice to your
>>> batteries....
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> *From:* "Atwood, Mark via NSRCA-discussion" <
>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> *To:* Andrew Jesky <andrewjesky at gmail.com>; General pattern discussion <
>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, November 11, 2016 5:28 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12S for F3A
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> To Andrew’s point, power is already unlimited in our rules.  Glow is not
>>> constrained, only E-power.  So while normally I’m a staunch opponent to any
>>> rule change that will alter the designs of our planes and thus obsolete
>>> everything and increase costs, I don’t think supporting 12S does that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Power is not currently limited, so allowing 12s doesn’t change the
>>> available power.  It merely allows those flying electric to do so more
>>> efficiently.  And yes… A YS200 will likely  support even larger Bipes if
>>> they can build them and make weight.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *MARK **ATWOOD*
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>>>
>>> On Nov 11, 2016, at 5:11 PM, Andrew Jesky via NSRCA-discussion <
>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Then cap the wattage we can reach, But don't worry when YS comes out
>>> with there 200 that won't allow the pattern planes to grow as long as there
>>> under 5000 without fuel right? 🤔
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Andrew
>>>
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