[NSRCA-discussion] Cobra rolls

Thu Sep 3 05:50:40 AKDT 2015

I had the same experience with the violin and rotator cuff surgery.  My shoulder healed, but I still can’t play the violin.

Ron

> On Sep 3, 2015, at 8:22 AM, Phil Spelt via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
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> Wow. RVP -- thanks!!!  With help like that, I'll be winning FAI by next spring.  Look out, pilots!!!
> 
> It is like when I had lip surgery.  I asked the surgeon how soon I could play the trumpet.  She said to let it heal for aobut 6 months and I should be good t oplay.  I said thaty's great. 'cause I can't play trumpet now.   Ba-Da-boom...
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> From: "Ronald Van Putte via NSRCA-discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2015 9:31:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cobra rolls
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> No, that would be silly!  However, the pilot has to don special goggles so it looks like the airplane is under the water.
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> Glad to be of assistance.
> 
> Ron
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> On Sep 2, 2015, at 7:26 PM, Phil Spelt via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:
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> Guys, I am really new to pattern.  Does the goldfish have to be done under water?  Else, how would the goldfish live???
> 
> Phil Spelt, KCRC Emeritus, Secretary
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> From: "Stuart Chale via NSRCA-discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
> To: "DaveL322" <DaveL322 at comcast.net <mailto:DaveL322 at comcast.net>>, "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2015 3:28:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cobra rolls
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> Sure descriptive names like Comet and Bunt and clown dance and now Big M and eyecatcher.  All really describe the maneuver :)
> 2/3 (or 3/4) cuban eight or reverse cuban eight wasn't catchy enough.  
> Sequence committee;   Lets call it a goldfish.  
> FAI Sequence committee:  No that's an American name let's call it a comet.  Now thats cool!!
> 
> For those that don't know my sense of humor insert tongue in cheek emoticon :-J
> 
> Stuart
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> On 9/2/2015 3:16 PM, DaveL322 via NSRCA-discussion wrote:
> Exactly.
> 
> A roll is a roll.
> 
> A loop is a loop.
> 
> A square loop with half rollS has multiple rollS just like a top hat with half rollS.
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> Changing the name of the maneuver would make it consistent other maneuvers and, consistent with the maneuver description.
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> Regards,
> 
> Dave
> 
> Please pardon any spelling errors or brevity.....Sent on a Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note® 3
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> From: James Hiller via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> 
> Date: 09/02/2015 2:32 PM (GMT-05:00) 
> To: 'Don Ramsey' <donramsey at gmail.com> <mailto:donramsey at gmail.com>, 'General pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cobra rolls 
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> It's been called that for 30+ years. Eliminating "Roll" in the description makes works for me.
> 
> From - Cobra Roll, 4 of 8 point rolls on 45 degree lines (U):
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> To - Cobra, with 4 of 8 point rolls on 45 degree lines (U):
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> Jim
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> From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>] On Behalf Of Don Ramsey via NSRCA-discussion
> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 11:17 AM
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> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cobra rolls
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>  
> BTW, why is Masters maneuver 17 call a “Cobra Roll” anyway?  It has nothing to do with a roll.  A better name might be “Cobra”.
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> From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>] On Behalf Of DaveL322 via NSRCA-discussion
> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 8:52 AM
> To: Jon Lowe; General pattern discussion; Stuart Chale
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cobra rolls
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>  
> "Loop" equals 360 degrees.  Would not "roll" also equal 360 degrees?
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>  
> In AMA, 2 point roll, 4 point roll, and 8 point roll all convey a full rotation with no change in direction. 
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> Unless AMA adopts the FAI style of describing rolls, it seems a roll should be a roll?
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>  
> Regards,
> 
>  
> Dave
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>  
> Please pardon any spelling errors or brevity.....Sent on a Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note® 3
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> From: Jon Lowe via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> 
> Date: 09/02/2015 9:35 AM (GMT-05:00) 
> To: NSRCA <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>, Stuart Chale <schale1 at outlook.com <mailto:schale1 at outlook.com>> 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cobra rolls 
> 
> Just looked at the maneuver description, and it doesn't specify roll direction.
> 
> Jon Lowe
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> On Sep 2, 2015 8:04 AM, Stuart Chale via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:
> >
> > Is there a specified direction to the second portion of a cobra roll.  
> > Roll in same direction as first half of the maneuver or is it pilots choice. 
> > M17 has a Cobra roll with 4 of 8 on each half. 
> > Thanks, 
> > Stuart 
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