[NSRCA-discussion] Cobra rolls

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blub blub blub... ZERO.... below the flight line out of the box.
From: Phil Spelt via NSRCA-discussion 
Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2015 7:26 PM
To: Stuart Chale ; nsrca-discussion 
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cobra rolls

Guys, I am really new to pattern.  Does the goldfish have to be done under water?  Else, how would the goldfish live???

Phil Spelt, KCRC Emeritus, Secretary
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From: "Stuart Chale via NSRCA-discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
To: "DaveL322" <DaveL322 at comcast.net>, "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2015 3:28:58 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cobra rolls


Sure descriptive names like Comet and Bunt and clown dance and now Big M and eyecatcher.  All really describe the maneuver :)
2/3 (or 3/4) cuban eight or reverse cuban eight wasn't catchy enough.  
Sequence committee;   Lets call it a goldfish.  
FAI Sequence committee:  No that's an American name let's call it a comet.  Now thats cool!!

For those that don't know my sense of humor insert tongue in cheek emoticon :-J

Stuart




On 9/2/2015 3:16 PM, DaveL322 via NSRCA-discussion wrote:

  Exactly.

  A roll is a roll.

  A loop is a loop.

  A square loop with half rollS has multiple rollS just like a top hat with half rollS.

  Changing the name of the maneuver would make it consistent other maneuvers and, consistent with the maneuver description.

  Regards,

  Dave

  Please pardon any spelling errors or brevity.....Sent on a Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note® 3


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  From: James Hiller via NSRCA-discussion mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 
  Date: 09/02/2015 2:32 PM (GMT-05:00) 
  To: 'Don Ramsey' mailto:donramsey at gmail.com, 'General pattern discussion' mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cobra rolls 


  It's been called that for 30+ years. Eliminating "Roll" in the description makes works for me.

  From - Cobra Roll, 4 of 8 point rolls on 45 degree lines (U):

  To - Cobra, with 4 of 8 point rolls on 45 degree lines (U):

  Jim



  From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Don Ramsey via NSRCA-discussion
  Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 11:17 AM
  To: 'General pattern discussion'
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cobra rolls



  BTW, why is Masters maneuver 17 call a “Cobra Roll” anyway?  It has nothing to do with a roll.  A better name might be “Cobra”.





  From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of DaveL322 via NSRCA-discussion
  Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 8:52 AM
  To: Jon Lowe; General pattern discussion; Stuart Chale
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cobra rolls



  "Loop" equals 360 degrees.  Would not "roll" also equal 360 degrees?



  In AMA, 2 point roll, 4 point roll, and 8 point roll all convey a full rotation with no change in direction. 



  Unless AMA adopts the FAI style of describing rolls, it seems a roll should be a roll?



  Regards,



  Dave



  Please pardon any spelling errors or brevity.....Sent on a Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note® 3



  -------- Original message --------
  From: Jon Lowe via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> 
  Date: 09/02/2015 9:35 AM (GMT-05:00) 
  To: NSRCA <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>, Stuart Chale <schale1 at outlook.com> 
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cobra rolls 

  Just looked at the maneuver description, and it doesn't specify roll direction.

  Jon Lowe

  On Sep 2, 2015 8:04 AM, Stuart Chale via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
  >
  > Is there a specified direction to the second portion of a cobra roll.  
  > Roll in same direction as first half of the maneuver or is it pilots choice. 
  > M17 has a Cobra roll with 4 of 8 on each half. 
  > Thanks, 
  > Stuart 
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