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<DIV>blub blub blub... ZERO.... below the flight line out of the box.</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, September 2, 2015 7:26 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=schale1@outlook.com
href="mailto:schale1@outlook.com">Stuart Chale</A> ; <A
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cobra rolls</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV aria-label="Compose body">Guys, I am really new to pattern. Does the
goldfish have to be done under water? Else, how would the goldfish
live???</DIV>
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</B>"Stuart Chale via NSRCA-discussion"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR><B>To: </B>"DaveL322"
<DaveL322@comcast.net>, "General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR><B>Sent: </B>Wednesday, September 2,
2015 3:28:58 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cobra rolls<BR>
<DIV> </DIV>Sure descriptive names like Comet and Bunt and clown dance and
now Big M and eyecatcher. All really describe the maneuver :)<BR>2/3 (or
3/4) cuban eight or reverse cuban eight wasn't catchy enough. <BR>Sequence
committee; Lets call it a goldfish. <BR>FAI Sequence
committee: No that's an American name let's call it a comet. Now
thats cool!!<BR><BR>For those that don't know my sense of humor insert tongue in
cheek emoticon :-J<BR><BR>Stuart<BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix>On 9/2/2015 3:16 PM, DaveL322 via NSRCA-discussion
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<DIV>Exactly.</DIV>
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<DIV>A roll is a roll.</DIV>
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<DIV>A loop is a loop.</DIV>
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<DIV>A square loop with half rollS has multiple rollS just like a top hat with
half rollS.</DIV>
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<DIV>Changing the name of the maneuver would make it consistent other
maneuvers and, consistent with the maneuver description.</DIV>
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errors or brevity.....Sent on a Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note®
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<BR>Date: 09/02/2015 2:32 PM (GMT-05:00) <BR>To: 'Don Ramsey' <A
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<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cobra rolls <BR><BR>
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data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times
New Roman'; color: #1f497d;">It's
been called that for 30+ years. Eliminating "Roll" in the description makes
works for me.</SPAN></P>
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style='FONT-FAMILY: "TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT","sans-serif"; mso-bidi-font-family: timesnewromanps-boldmt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times
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New
Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT;">From
- Cobra Roll, 4 of 8 point rolls on 45 degree lines (U):</SPAN></B></P>
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Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT;">To
- Cobra, with 4 of 8 point rolls on 45 degree lines (U):</SPAN></B></P>
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<B>On Behalf Of </B>Don Ramsey via NSRCA-discussion<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday,
September 02, 2015 11:17 AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'General pattern
discussion'<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cobra
rolls</SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">BTW,
why is Masters maneuver 17 call a “Cobra Roll” anyway? It has nothing to
do with a roll. A better name might be “Cobra”.</SPAN></P>
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<B>On Behalf Of </B>DaveL322 via NSRCA-discussion<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday,
September 02, 2015 8:52 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Jon Lowe; General pattern discussion;
Stuart Chale<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cobra
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<P class=MsoNormal>"Loop" equals 360 degrees. Would not "roll" also
equal 360 degrees?</P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>In AMA, 2 point roll, 4 point roll, and 8 point roll all
convey a full rotation with no change in direction. </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Unless AMA adopts the FAI style of describing rolls, it
seems a roll should be a roll?</P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #575757"
data-mce-style="font-size: 10.0pt; color: #575757;">Please pardon any spelling
errors or brevity.....Sent on a Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note®
3</SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<BR>Date: 09/02/2015 9:35 AM (GMT-05:00) <BR>To: NSRCA <<A
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<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cobra rolls <BR><BR>Just looked at the
maneuver description, and it doesn't specify roll direction.<BR><BR>Jon
Lowe<BR><BR>On Sep 2, 2015 8:04 AM, Stuart Chale via NSRCA-discussion <<A
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wrote:<BR>><BR>> Is there a specified direction to the second portion of
a cobra roll. <BR>> Roll in same direction as first half of the
maneuver or is it pilots choice. <BR>> M17 has a Cobra roll with 4 of 8 on
each half. <BR>> Thanks, <BR>> Stuart <BR>>
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