[NSRCA-discussion] Electronic Score Entry System - Thoughts

[Scott Smith]

>>...and the system wouldn’t take the score

Which system? :)   It's Ctrl+0 (or the key pad, or say "zero point" if
using the voice recognition) in MasterScoring

On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 8:03 PM, Wayne Galligan via NSRCA-discussion <
nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

>   I have to say Leslie is REALLY FAST with getting the score sheets
> out.... usually by the time you have your plane in the pits and shut down.
> And I’m sure she wouldn’t want to lose her job to a COMPUTER.
>
> BUT.... I like how you can sum up the deductions....  what happens if you
> get down to 1 pt or 1/2pt?  will it score this.
> We had someone we wont mention (ART) that scored someone 1/2pt and the
> system wouldn’t take the score.... some people.
>
> Later
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>  *From:* Peter Vogel via NSRCA-discussion
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> *Sent:* Monday, June 8, 2015 5:52 PM
> *To:* cahochhalter <cahochhalter at yahoo.com> ; General pattern discussion
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electronic Score Entry System - Thoughts
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>  Bet I can beat it :-) There's no way a human can type the scores into a
> program faster than they flow in automatically and sheets print :-)  Even
> with the very slow printer I had at Canandaigua I had sheets in people's
> hands before they removed the batteries.  When I have a quicker printer I'm
> providing sheets as people walk the plane back from the flight line.
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> But really, that's a minor part of the whole thing.  It's really about
> changing the experience for judges for the better and hopefully getting
> greater judging accuracy, (the pilot experience improvements of getting
> your scores earlier and having the real-time scoreboard is just gravy).
> There's also a lot to be said for reducing the task loading of being the
> score keeper for a contest so you can actually sit back and enjoy the
> contest environment & camaraderie!
>
> Invite me to a contest and see! :-)
>
> Peter+
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> On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 3:40 PM, cahochhalter via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
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>>  Its really tough to get rid of the shstem in D6, seems fairly quick.
>> Most guys cant get their batts out of their plane or back to the pits
>> before they get their sheets.
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>> We are a bit spoiled in that regard, ask anyone who has visited from out
>> of District where this has occured.. Mind blown.
>>
>> Chuck
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>>  Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
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>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: atwooddon--- via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
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>> Date: 06/08/2015 4:31 PM (GMT-06:00)
>> To: aabdu at sbcglobal.net, nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electronic Score Entry System - Thoughts
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>> What Mark A didn't tell you is you need a 'Viewing Ticket' that you can
>> only get from Peter if you want to congregate around the monitor showing
>> scores immediately after a pilot's flight...  Kinda like a back stage
>> pass....
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>> Just kidding, we have had the luxury of using this system here in
>> District 7 as it has been developed.  I hate the thought of ever going back
>> to manual entry and waiting for printouts!!
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>> Don
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>> From: W Anthony Abdullah via NSRCA-discussion <
>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> To: Peter Vogel <vogel.peter at gmail.com>; General pattern discussion <
>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Mon, Jun 8, 2015 2:25 pm
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electronic Score Entry System - Thoughts
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>> Wow!
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>> It sounds amazing, can't wait to see it in person.
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>> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Jun 8, 2015, at 4:54 PM, Peter Vogel via NSRCA-discussion <
>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
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>> Part of the kit I bring along stands up a LOCAL WiFi, I do not depend on
>> a cellular connection at all, if I have a decent connection I'll publish
>> scores live as they happen to     https://www.patternscoring.com but for
>> the actual operation of a contest I don't need anything.  Just the local
>> WiFi I stand up.
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>> Peter+
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>> On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 1:37 PM, S. McNickle      <nelson_jett at comcast.net>
>> wrote:
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>> Does the system require a WiFi connection or a strong cell connection to
>> work?
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>>          From: "Peter Vogel via NSRCA-discussion" <
>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>          To: "Mark Atwood" <         atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>, "General
>> pattern discussion" <         nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>          Sent: Monday, June 8, 2015 12:42:07 PM
>>          Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electronic Score Entry System -
>> Thoughts
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>> Thanks Mark!  It's been a lot of work, but notes like yours make it all
>> worthwhile!
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>> Thrilled to be able to contribute back to the sport I love!
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>> Peter+
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>> On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 8:36 AM, Atwood, Mark via
>> NSRCA-discussion              <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> wrote:
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>> See if this is any better….  Straight text.
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>> I had the privilege this weekend of using Peter Vogel’s new electronic
>> score entry system this weekend.  I don’t want to call it a scoring system
>> because that credit should still go to Scott Smith whose scoring program is
>> what Peter’s system is integrated with.  Both of these gentleman have put
>> in 100’s if not 1000’s of hours of programming into this
>> effort.
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>>                  And it’s fantastic.
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>>                  So some thoughts about new score entry system in no
>> particular order.
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>> 1)            It works.  Period.   End of story.   25 guys who had never
>> touched it before not only learned it, but used it efficiently with a 5
>> minute intro and sitting down and scoring a demo flight.   ZERO missed
>> maneuvers, no lost scores, no complaints. NADA.
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>> 2)            The system actually uses downgrade scoring.  I.e. you click
>> the 1/2pt (or full pt) down everytime you see a downgrade.  It takes
>> practice flight before you realize that you need to click on everything you
>> see…rather than do mental math or create a perception of the maneuver, but
>> once you do, it’s enlightening.
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>> 3)            The score range widens.   This is a good thing.  It wasn’t
>> drastic, but rather than a long diatribe of 7’s and 8’s, if you go look at
>> the score sheets (I highly suggest surfing through the
>> www.patternscoring.com site) you’ll see many score sheets that feature
>> both 5’s and 10’s on the same page.
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>> 4)            More 10’s.  If you don’t see a downgrade…that 10 is just
>> sitting there.  There’s no longer the pressure to write down a 9 simply
>> because “no one actually flies a 10”.
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>> 5)            Long complex maneuvers (hour glass for example) get the
>> pounding they deserve.  The opportunity for downgrades in these maneuvers
>> is massive…and when the judge is just clicking away, well… we get
>> hammered.  And we should.   Every missed angle, every missed radius,  the
>> over cooked snap, etc etc.    Your 7 just became a 4.5
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>> 6)            Surprisingly consistent judging between both judges on the
>> line.  Shockingly consistent actually.   I consider that another
>> endorsement for the system.
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>> 7)            More engaged judging.  This was big for me.  I personally
>> feel like I start to glaze over after the 8th (or worse …18th) Masters
>> flight in a contest.  It’s very hard to stay consistent and stay alert and
>> not revert to perception judging in the old paper and pencil format.   This
>> eliminated that completely.  You’re actively engaged throughout each
>> maneuver and each flight.  Both physically recording downgrades and
>> watching intently for them.  I felt it was MUCH easier to be a good judge
>> and an alert judge.
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>> 8)            Every maneuver called out loud for the judge, for every
>> pilot, for every round.  This made judging the new sequences, which I
>> hadn’t judged yet, simple.
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>> 9)            You never need to look down from the plane.  Really.
>> Never.     What’s interesting here is that you begin to notice all the
>> downgrades that occur in the transition between manuevers.  No more free
>> fixes!
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>> 10)          It seems to greatly reduce or even eliminate the influence
>> that the prior maneuver has on the scores.  I know this shouldn’t be the
>> case… but we all know it is.  Someone that’s flown a train wreck of 6’s
>> suddenly flies a clean Split S turn and think “wow…that was pretty
>> good…8”.  On this system you’re just clicking downgrades…that same Split S
>> just scored a 10.  As it should have.
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>> 11)          Your scores are up on the big screen, normalized to whom
>> ever has already flown that round, before your plane rolls to a stop.
>> Literally.    And if you’re up first?? Well, take a picture because for the
>> moment… you’re winning!
>>
>> In summary, this will be the single biggest advancement in scoring for
>> pattern since the introduction of normalization.    It’s going to take a
>> year or two to get everyone in the country familiar with the system (and
>> get systems purchased for use) before we can use it at a Nats, but we’ll
>> get there, and quickly.  I was extremely skeptical, for about 5 minutes.
>>
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>> You’ll fear it.  You’ll use it.  You’ll love it.
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>> ‘nuff said.
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>> Well done Peter.  Very well done.
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>> -Mark
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>> On Jun 8, 2015, at 11:34 AM, Atwood, Mark via NSRCA-discussion
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>> What the Heck???
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>> Mine didn’t come through that way at all!!  Sorry guys…  I’ll see if I
>> can repost it cleaner.
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>> On Jun 8, 2015, at 11:31 AM, Anthony Romano via NSRCA-discussion
>> <                        nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
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>> +1
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>> If you fumble through all of the weird format issues with Mark's email
>> there is a lot of great comments there and just about everyone will agree
>> with every one. I was asked many time when is our district going to buy
>> one.
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>> Anthony
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>> To:                             nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
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>> Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2015 15:25:33 +0000
>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Electronic Score Entry System -
>> Thoughts
>> From:                             nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I had the privilege this weekend of using Peter Vogel’s new electronic
>> score entry system this weekend.  I don’t want to call it a scoring system
>> because that credit should still go to Scott Smith whose scoring program is
>> what Peter’s system is integrated with.  Both of these gentleman have put
>> in 100’s if not 1000’s of hours of programming into this
>> effort.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>                              And it’s
>> fantastic.
>>
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>>
>> So some thoughts about new score entry system in no particular
>> order.
>>
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>> cussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2015 15:25:33 +0000
>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Electronic Score Entry System - Thoughts
>> From: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>
>>
>>
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>> I had the privilege this weekend of using Peter Vogel’s new electronic
>> score entry system this weekend.  I don’t want to call it a scoring system
>> because that credit should still go to Scott Smith whose scoring program is
>> what
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