<div dir="ltr">>>...<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri;font-size:16px">and the system wouldn’t take the score</span><div><br></div><div>Which system? :) It's Ctrl+0 (or the key pad, or say "zero point" if using the voice recognition) in MasterScoring</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 8:03 PM, Wayne Galligan via NSRCA-discussion <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div style="FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri';COLOR:#000000">
<div>I have to say Leslie is REALLY FAST with getting the score sheets out....
usually by the time you have your plane in the pits and shut down.</div>
<div>And I’m sure she wouldn’t want to lose her job to a COMPUTER.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>BUT.... I like how you can sum up the deductions.... what happens if
you get down to 1 pt or 1/2pt? will it score this. </div>
<div>We had someone we wont mention (ART) that scored someone 1/2pt and the
system wouldn’t take the score.... some people.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Later</div>
<div style="FONT-SIZE:small;TEXT-DECORATION:none;FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri";FONT-WEIGHT:normal;COLOR:#000000;FONT-STYLE:normal;DISPLAY:inline">
<div style="FONT:10pt tahoma">
<div> </div>
<div style="BACKGROUND:#f5f5f5"><span class="">
<div><b>From:</b> <a title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">Peter Vogel via
NSRCA-discussion</a> </div>
</span><div><b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 8, 2015 5:52 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="cahochhalter@yahoo.com" href="mailto:cahochhalter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">cahochhalter</a> ; <a title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">General pattern discussion</a>
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<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electronic Score Entry System -
Thoughts</div></div></div></div></div>
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<div dir="ltr">Bet I can beat it :-) There's no way a human can type the scores
into a program faster than they flow in automatically and sheets print :-)
Even with the very slow printer I had at Canandaigua I had sheets in people's
hands before they removed the batteries. When I have a quicker printer I'm
providing sheets as people walk the plane back from the flight line.
<div> </div>
<div>But really, that's a minor part of the whole thing. It's really about
changing the experience for judges for the better and hopefully getting greater
judging accuracy, (the pilot experience improvements of getting your scores
earlier and having the real-time scoreboard is just gravy). There's also a
lot to be said for reducing the task loading of being the score keeper for a
contest so you can actually sit back and enjoy the contest environment &
camaraderie!<br></div>
<div> </div>
<div>Invite me to a contest and see! :-)</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Peter+</div></div>
<div class="gmail_extra">
<div> </div>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 3:40 PM, cahochhalter via
NSRCA-discussion <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT:1ex;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid">
<div>
<div>Its really tough to get rid of the shstem in D6, seems fairly quick. Most
guys cant get their batts out of their plane or back to the pits before they
get their sheets.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>We are a bit spoiled in that regard, ask anyone who has visited from out
of District where this has occured.. Mind blown.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Chuck</div>
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<div> </div>
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<div>
<div style="FONT-SIZE:85%;COLOR:#575757">Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G
LTE smartphone</div></div><span><br><br>-------- Original message
--------<br>From: atwooddon--- via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> <br>Date: 06/08/2015
4:31 PM (GMT-06:00) <br>To: <a href="mailto:aabdu@sbcglobal.net" target="_blank">aabdu@sbcglobal.net</a>, <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a> <br>Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Electronic Score Entry System - Thoughts
<br><br></span><span>What Mark A didn't tell you is you need a 'Viewing
Ticket' that you can only get from Peter if you want to congregate around the
monitor showing scores immediately after a pilot's flight... Kinda like
a back stage pass.... <br><br></span><span>Just kidding, we have had the
luxury of using this system here in District 7 as it has been developed.
I hate the thought of ever going back to manual entry and waiting for
printouts!!<br><br>Don<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>-----Original
Message-----<br>From: W Anthony Abdullah via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>To: Peter Vogel
<<a href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com" target="_blank">vogel.peter@gmail.com</a>>; General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>Sent: Mon, Jun 8,
2015 2:25 pm<br></span><span>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electronic Score
Entry System - Thoughts<br><br><br><br></span><span>Wow! <br><br>
<br><br><br>It sounds amazing, can't wait to see it in person.
<br><br> <br>Sent from my iPad <br><br> <br>On Jun 8, 2015, at
4:54 PM, Peter Vogel via NSRCA-discussion < <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote: <br>
<br><br><br> <br> <br>Part of the kit I bring along stands
up a LOCAL WiFi, I do not depend on a cellular connection at all, if I have a
decent connection I'll publish scores live as they happen
to <a href="https://www.patternscoring.com" target="_blank">https://www.patternscoring.com</a> but for the actual operation
of a contest I don't need anything. Just the local WiFi I stand
up. <br> <br>
<br> <br></span>Peter+ <br>
<br> <br> <br> <br><span>On
Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 1:37 PM, S. McNickle <<a href="mailto:nelson_jett@comcast.net" target="_blank">nelson_jett@comcast.net</a>> wrote:
<br> <br>
<br>
<br> <br>Does the system require a
WiFi connection or a strong cell connection to
work?
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br></span><span> From: "Peter
Vogel via NSRCA-discussion"
< <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
<br> To: "Mark Atwood"
< <a href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com" target="_blank">atwoodm@paragon-inc.com</a>>, "General pattern discussion"
< <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
<br> Sent: Monday, June 8,
2015 12:42:07 PM
<br></span><span> Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Electronic Score Entry System -
Thoughts
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br></span><span>Thanks Mark! It's been a lot of work, but notes like
yours make it all
worthwhile!
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>Thrilled to be able to contribute back to the sport I
love!
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br></span>Peter+
<br>
<div>
<div>
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<br>
<br> <br>On
Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 8:36 AM, Atwood, Mark via
NSRCA-discussion
<<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
wrote:
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<br>See if this is any better…. Straight
text.
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>I had the privilege this weekend of using Peter Vogel’s new electronic
score entry system this weekend. I don’t want to call it a scoring
system because that credit should still go to Scott Smith whose scoring
program is what Peter’s system is integrated with. Both of these
gentleman have put in 100’s if not 1000’s of hours of programming into this
effort.
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
And it’s
fantastic.
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
So some thoughts about new score entry system in no particular
order.
<br>
<br><br>
<br>1) It
works. Period. End of story. 25 guys who had
never touched it before not only learned it, but used it efficiently with a 5
minute intro and sitting down and scoring a demo flight. ZERO
missed maneuvers, no lost scores, no complaints.
NADA.<br>
<br>2) The
system actually uses downgrade scoring. I.e. you click the 1/2pt (or
full pt) down everytime you see a downgrade. It takes practice flight
before you realize that you need to click on everything you see…rather than do
mental math or create a perception of the maneuver, but once you do, it’s
enlightening.<br>
<br>3) The
score range widens. This is a good thing. It wasn’t drastic,
but rather than a long diatribe of 7’s and 8’s, if you go look at the score
sheets (I highly suggest surfing through the <a href="http://www.patternscoring.com" target="_blank">www.patternscoring.com</a>
site) you’ll see many score sheets that feature both 5’s and 10’s on the same
page.<br>
<br>4) More
10’s. If you don’t see a downgrade…that 10 is just sitting there.
There’s no longer the pressure to write down a 9 simply because “no one
actually flies a
10”.<br>
<br>5) Long
complex maneuvers (hour glass for example) get the pounding they
deserve. The opportunity for downgrades in these maneuvers is
massive…and when the judge is just clicking away, well… we get hammered.
And we should. Every missed angle, every missed radius, the
over cooked snap, etc etc. Your 7 just became a 4.5
<br>
<br>6)
Surprisingly consistent judging between both judges on the line.
Shockingly consistent actually. I consider that another
endorsement for the
system.<br>
<br>7) More
engaged judging. This was big for me. I personally feel like I
start to glaze over after the 8th (or worse …18th) Masters flight in a
contest. It’s very hard to stay consistent and stay alert and not revert
to perception judging in the old paper and pencil format. This
eliminated that completely. You’re actively engaged throughout each
maneuver and each flight. Both physically recording downgrades and
watching intently for them. I felt it was MUCH easier to be a good judge
and an alert
judge.<br>
<br>8) Every
maneuver called out loud for the judge, for every pilot, for every
round. This made judging the new sequences, which I hadn’t judged yet,
simple.<br>
<br>9) You
never need to look down from the plane. Really.
Never. What’s interesting here is that you begin to
notice all the downgrades that occur in the transition between
manuevers. No more free
fixes!<br>
<br>10) It seems to
greatly reduce or even eliminate the influence that the prior maneuver has on
the scores. I know this shouldn’t be the case… but we all know it
is. Someone that’s flown a train wreck of 6’s suddenly flies a
clean Split S turn and think “wow…that was pretty good…8”. On this
system you’re just clicking downgrades…that same Split S just scored a
10. As it should
have.<br>
<br>11) Your scores are
up on the big screen, normalized to whom ever has already flown that round,
before your plane rolls to a stop. Literally. And if you’re
up first?? Well, take a picture because for the moment… you’re
winning!<br>
<br>In summary, this will be the single biggest advancement in scoring for
pattern since the introduction of normalization. It’s going
to take a year or two to get everyone in the country familiar with the system
(and get systems purchased for use) before we can use it at a Nats, but we’ll
get there, and quickly. I was extremely skeptical, for about 5
minutes.
<br>
<br><br>
<br>You’ll fear it. You’ll use it. You’ll love
it.<br>
<br>‘nuff said.
<br>
<br>Well done Peter. Very well
done.<br>
<br><br>
<br>-Mark<br>
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<br>On Jun 8, 2015, at 11:34 AM, Atwood, Mark via NSRCA-discussion
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wrote:
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>What the
Heck???
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>Mine didn’t come through that way at all!! Sorry guys… I’ll
see if I can repost it
cleaner.
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MARK
ATWOOD
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President
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o. <a href="tel:%28440%29%20229-2502" value="+14402292502" target="_blank">(440)
229-2502</a>
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c. <a href="tel:%28216%29%20316-2489" value="+12163162489" target="_blank">(216)
316-2489</a>
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e.
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<br>
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Paragon Consulting,
Inc.
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44124
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<br>On Jun 8, 2015, at 11:31 AM, Anthony Romano via NSRCA-discussion
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<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
wrote:
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>+1
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>If you fumble through all of the weird format issues with Mark's email
there is a lot of great comments there and just about everyone will agree with
every one. I was asked many time when is our district going to buy
one.
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>Anthony
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br></div></div><span>To:
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<br>Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2015 15:25:33
+0000
<br>Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Electronic Score Entry System -
Thoughts
<br>From:
<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>I had the privilege this weekend of using Peter Vogel’s new electronic
score entry system this weekend. I don’t want to call it a scoring
system because that credit should still go to Scott Smith whose scoring
program is what Peter’s system is integrated with. Both of these
gentleman have put in 100’s if not 1000’s of hours of programming into this
effort.
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
And it’s
fantastic.
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>So some thoughts about new score entry system in no particular
order.
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br><a href="mailto:cussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">cussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2015 15:25:33
+0000<br>Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Electronic Score Entry System -
Thoughts<br>From: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><br><br><br>
<br>I had the privilege this weekend of using Peter Vogel’s new electronic
score entry system this weekend. I don’t want to call it a scoring
system because that credit should still go to Scott Smith whose scoring
program is
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