[NSRCA-discussion] FAA Registration begins December 21

Thu Dec 17 18:56:21 AKST 2015

Not entirely ignored as the FAQ explicitly talks about the AMA number not
"yet" being good enough for registration.  But, as others have said, the
typical government approach to things is "do something then fix it"

Peter+

On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 7:50 PM, Keith Hoard via NSRCA-discussion <
nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

> Your big words confuse me. . . .
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> I never said they weren’t doing anything.  I said they got squashed and/or
> ignored.
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> -Keith Hoard
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> -klhoard at outlook.com
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> *From:* Peter Vogel [mailto:vogel.peter at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 17, 2015 21:48
> *To:* Keith Hoard <klhoard at outlook.com>; General pattern discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
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> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAA Registration begins December 21
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> Let me get this straight Keith.
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> On Monday you were up in arms about the AMA not doing anything about the
> FAA's overreach
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> On Thursday you are up in arms about the AMA taking its lawsuit active
> against the FAA and asking the FAA for AMA membership to be an OPTION for
> people to fulfill the registration requirement?
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> Perhaps you should check your pre-conceived notions at the door?
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> Peter+
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> On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 5:30 PM, Keith Hoard via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
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> The FAA has a printing press available to pay lawyers – their legal
> department welcomes the business.  Not sure I saw a money press last time I
> was up in Muncie.  It may have been in a back room, though. .
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> Now they want everyone to wait until the very last day . . . the damn
> website is going to crash . . . then nobody will be legal.
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> On top of that . . .  AMA’s new strategy is to make AMA membership a
> federal requirement?  Now folks that fly on their own land will have to pay
> $58 per year and throw away a monthly magazine to get an AMA number,
> instead of $5 every three years to get an FAA number.
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> The smell of desperation is in the air . . .
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> -Keith Hoard
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> -klhoard at outlook.com
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> *From:* NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
> *On Behalf Of *Ed Alt via NSRCA-discussion
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 17, 2015 19:11
> *To:* Peter Vogel <vogel.peter at gmail.com>; Dennis Bodary <
> d_bodary at yahoo.com>; NSRCA List <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
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> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAA Registration begins December 21
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> I bet they're scared now!  I'm going to go make some popcorn and watch!
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> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 14:23:05 -0800
> To: d_bodary at yahoo.com; nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAA Registration begins December 21
> From: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>
> Dear AMA Members,
>
> Yesterday, the AMA Executive Council unanimously approved an action plan
> to relieve and further protect our members from unnecessary and burdensome
> regulations. This plan addresses the recently announced interim rule
> requiring federal registration of all model aircraft and unmanned aircraft
> systems (UAS) weighing between 0.55 and 55 pounds.
>
> AMA has long used a similar registration system with our members, which we
> pointed out during the task force deliberations and in private
> conversations with the FAA. As you are aware, AMA's safety program
> instructs all members to place his or her AMA number or name and address on
> or within their model aircraft, effectively accomplishing the safety and
> accountability objectives of the interim rule. AMA has also argued that the
> new registration rule runs counter to Congress' intent in Section 336 of
> the FAA Modernization and Reform Act of 2012, otherwise known as the
> "Special Rule for Model Aircraft."
>
> The Council is considering all legal and political remedies to address
> this issue. We believe that resolution to the unnecessary federal
> registration rule for our members rests with AMA's petition before the U.S.
> Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia. This petition, filed in
> August 2014, asks the court to review the FAA's interpretation of the
> "Special Rule for Model Aircraft." The central issue is whether the FAA has
> the authority to expand the definition of aircraft to include model
> aircraft; thus, allowing the agency to establish new standards and
> operating criteria to which model aircraft operators have never been
> subject to in the past.
>
> In promulgating its interim rule for registration earlier this week, the
> FAA repeatedly stated that model aircraft are aircraft, despite the fact
> that litigation is pending on this very question. The Council believes the
> FAA's reliance on its interpretation of Section 336 for legal authority to
> compel our members to register warrants the Court's immediate attention to
> AMA's petition.
>
> While we continue to believe that registration makes sense at some
> threshold and for flyers operating outside of a community-based
> organization or flying for commercial purposes, we also strongly believe
> our members are not the problem and should not have to bear the burden of
> additional regulations.  Safety has been the cornerstone of our
> organization for 80 years and AMA's members strive to be a part of the
> solution.
>
> As we proceed with this process, we suggest AMA members hold off on
> registering their model aircraft with the FAA until advised by the AMA or
> until February 19, the FAA's legal deadline for registering existing model
> aircraft.
>
> Holding off on registration will allow AMA time to fully consider all
> possible options. On a parallel track, it also allows AMA to complete
> ongoing conversations with the FAA about how best to streamline the
> registration process for our members.
>
> In the near future, we will also be asking our members to make their
> voices heard by submitting comments to the FAA's interim rule on
> registration. We will follow-up soon with more detailed information on how
> to do this.
>
> Thank you for your continued support of AMA. We will provide you with more
> updates as they become available.
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
>
> The AMA Executive Council
>
> Bob Brown, AMA President
> Gary Fitch, AMA Executive Vice President
> Andy Argenio, AMA Vice President, District I
> Eric Williams, AMA Vice President, District II
> Mark Radcliff, AMA Vice President, District III
> Jay Marsh, AMA Vice President, District IV
> Kris Dixon, AMA Vice President, District V
> Randy Cameron, AMA Vice President, District VI
> Tim Jesky, AMA Vice President, District VII
> Mark Johnston, AMA Vice President, District VIII
> Jim Tiller, AMA Vice President, District IX
> Lawrence Tougas, AMA Vice President, District X
> Chuck Bower, AMA Vice President, District XI
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> On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Dennis Bodary via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
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> And now the AMA says hold off on registering your aircraft
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> On Thu, 12/17/15, Scott McHarg via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
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>  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAA Registration begins December 21
>  To: "Ted Sander" <tedsander at comcast.net>, "General pattern discussion" <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>  Date: Thursday, December 17, 2015, 5:16 PM
>
>  Sorry, that was page 36 for
>  non-political individuals.
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>  Scott A. McHarg
>  VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S. Research
>  PilotTexas A&M UniversityPPL -
>  ASEL
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>  On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at
>  4:13 PM, Scott McHarg <scmcharg at gmail.com>
>  wrote:
>  According to them.....
>  http://www.faa.gov/news/updates/media/2015-12-13_2120-AK82_RIA.pdf
>
>  "Benefits" start on page
>  29
>  Scott A. McHarg
>  VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S. Research
>  PilotTexas A&M UniversityPPL -
>  ASEL
>
>  On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 4:11 PM, Ted
>  Sander via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>  wrote:
>   Missing from the official
>  publicity of all this is the “What is this going to
>  do?”.  Is there any “official” information about what
>  registration hopes to accomplish (as opposed to the
>  “they’re coming to get us” theories)?  Even if it was
>  a page of “Know before you fly” info during the
>  registration process, I would be more supportive.  But all
>  I can speculate on is that it is to “Hope we find that one
>  little part that has the registration number on it”.
>  We’ve all seen RC mid-airs and crashes, and know that
>  often full recovery of parts is very difficult.  If
>  something bad happens, the odds seem pretty low that even if
>  there is a number, it will be found and traced to the owner,
>  even if there is one!It would perhaps be better to have
>  the FCC mandate registering receivers/control units that
>  have and “squawk” a unique identifier, than this poorly
>  thought out
>  solution!
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