[NSRCA-discussion] FAA Registration begins December 21

Mon Dec 14 12:35:56 AKST 2015

Derek,

Good news!  If we're now considered "aircraft", we should be able to log
all of our model hours in our logbook, right?  All of a sudden, I'm a pilot
with thousands of hours!  :)

*Scott A. McHarg*
VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S. Research Pilot
Texas A&M University
PPL - ASEL

On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 3:32 PM, Patrick Harris via NSRCA-discussion <
nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

> Nope, we are all supposed to register.
>
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Derek Koopowitz via NSRCA-discussion <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
>> Why does this impact us?  This is only for drone usage... isn't it?
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 11:50 AM, astropuppy via NSRCA-discussion <
>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I propose the NSRCA buy all of our airplanes and get one registration
>>> number, providing copies of the NSRCA "Certifcate of Registration" to all
>>> members in good standing.
>>>
>>> Q. If I let someone borrow my drone do I have to give them the
>>> Certificate of Registration?
>>>
>>> A. Yes, anyone who operates your drone must have the Certificate of
>>> Aircraft Registration in their possession. You can give them a paper copy,
>>> email it to them, or they can show it electronically from the registration
>>> website.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Peter Vogel via NSRCA-discussion <
>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ah.  That makes sense.  Classic failure to think though the use-cases.
>>>> If they just took AMA/CAA/BMFA/etc. #'s as valid registration they would
>>>> solve for the same thing.  If they really wanted to, they could just ask
>>>> AMA to provide data regarding their active members and impose a constraint
>>>> that AMA #'s can't be changed or reused.
>>>>
>>>> Peter+
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Scott McHarg <scmcharg at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Peter,
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually, if you're not a US citizen, you have to do it by paper and
>>>>> snail mail.  Only US Citizens can use the website so if you fly in the US,
>>>>> according to the FAA, you still must register and cannot fly unregistered
>>>>> here.  I believe Rex pointed out why that'd be a pain.
>>>>>
>>>>> *Scott A. McHarg*
>>>>> VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S. Research Pilot
>>>>> Texas A&M University
>>>>> PPL - ASEL
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 1:36 PM, Peter Vogel via NSRCA-discussion <
>>>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The really funny thing here is that you have to be a US citizen to
>>>>>> register your UAS, so if we speculate that this is some kind of
>>>>>> Anti-Terrorist thing (which, I don't believe it to be), then they are
>>>>>> missing a huge part of their target.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's over reach and redundant to the AMA membership requirement of
>>>>>> having your AMA # or name in the plane, but whatever, I'm happy to comply
>>>>>> and really don't see the point in getting my blood pressure elevated over
>>>>>> this.  I suspect sanity will return over time as AMA and FAA continue to
>>>>>> work together here, hopefully in a spirit of partnership rather than an
>>>>>> adversarial relationship.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peter+
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Rex via NSRCA-discussion <
>>>>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Could be interesting when having Canadians come to our pattern
>>>>>>> contests!  Or from any other country for that matter!   That would have to
>>>>>>> be handled through snail mail...
>>>>>>> OR....simply give your foreign buddy a dollar for their
>>>>>>> plane....print your registration # on a piece of paper and tape it inside
>>>>>>> the plane....give them a copy of your proof of registration....you are good
>>>>>>> to go!  They can buy it back when they are ready to go home!   I forget,
>>>>>>> what was the whole reason behind registration?   :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rex
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>>>>> From: Jon Lowe via NSRCA-discussion <
>>>>>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>>>>> Date: 12/14/2015 11:06 AM (GMT-08:00)
>>>>>>> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAA Registration begins December 21
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I see no reason why CDs or clubs need to be involved. This is
>>>>>>> between the individual and the FAA. Unless AMA makes checking this be a
>>>>>>> requirement, we should not do anything. I don't recall AMA checking FCC
>>>>>>> licenses back before the FCC realized that trying to control Citizens Band
>>>>>>> was as useless as this is.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jon
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jon
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>> On Monday, December 14, 2015 Scott McHarg via NSRCA-discussion <
>>>>>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Karl,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good questions which need to be addressed, pattern or not.  The CD's
>>>>>>> are going to have to make sure each entrant is registered or offer a way to
>>>>>>> have them register at the field.  The registration # does not replace the
>>>>>>> AMA # but must be contained in or on the model and accessible without
>>>>>>> tools.  Heck, AMA clubs are going to have to make sure each person flying
>>>>>>> on a Sunday afternoon is registered.  Within the NSRCA, I hope to address
>>>>>>> this at our next board meeting to try to get y'all some answers as to how
>>>>>>> we could/should handle pattern events.  They are AMA events though so
>>>>>>> hopefully we can get some answers for y'all through the S.I.G.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vicente, I think the 400 ft AGL rule has always been in place per se.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Scott A. McHarg*
>>>>>>> VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S. Research Pilot
>>>>>>> Texas A&M University
>>>>>>> PPL - ASEL
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 12:31 PM, Karl Watts <
>>>>>>> Karl.Watts at saintalphonsus.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK, so how will this now impact our pattern competitions?  Will we
>>>>>>> have to now provide proof of registration before we can fly at a contest
>>>>>>> and have our registration # on our plane?  Does this replace the AMA #?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Karl
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* NSRCA-discussion [mailto:
>>>>>>> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of *Scott
>>>>>>> McHarg via NSRCA-discussion
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 11:05 AM
>>>>>>> *To:* General pattern discussion
>>>>>>> *Subject:* [NSRCA-discussion] FAA Registration begins December 21
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, here it is boys and girls.  It's official and starts next
>>>>>>> Monday.  The link is for the FAQ's of what's happening.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  You only have to register once and you don't have to individually
>>>>>>> register all of your models.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You must be able to provide proof of registration and have it on you
>>>>>>> when flying.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You must have your Registration # (not going to be a N number) in
>>>>>>> your airplane where it is legible and accessible without the use of tools
>>>>>>> (aka under your canopy).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you sell a model, you should update your records. (I don't
>>>>>>> completely understand this if we aren't registering all of our models
>>>>>>> individually but, OK)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Registration is $5 but you'll get that back if you register in the
>>>>>>> first 30 days, I believe.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have a look at the link and prepare to be upset.....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.faa.gov/uas/registration/faqs/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Scott A. McHarg*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> VSCL / CANVASS U.A.S. Research Pilot
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Texas A&M University
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> PPL - ASEL
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