[NSRCA-discussion] FAA and Model Aircraft

Fri Mar 7 13:04:46 AKST 2014

Yeah, I don't think bringing your transmitter to your type ride would be a good move. . . just sayin' . . 

Keith Hoard

klhoard at hotmail.com

Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 16:01:40 -0600
From: scmcharg at gmail.com
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAA and Model Aircraft

I would "like" to, yes.  Mr. Riff said that I certainly would not be able to count the hours 1:1 for the instrument or Commercial portion obviously.  One should not expect to be able to be an UAS pilot and all of a sudden have their ATP because of hours.  (Yes, I knew where you were going with that one).  Since the FAA will Categorize the UAS, it will not apply to being able to jumping in a complex aircraft and have your certificate by a checkout ride.

Let's be realistic here.  Just because a guy with a PPL can be legal to fly the UAS does not mean he has the knowledge to jump in a 757 and get a type rating just because he's logged enough hours.  There will be some classification.  If, however, I can use say 1/4 of my hours and allow that to count towards my 250 to get a commercial license, so be it.  My bet is that eventually, the UAS program will have it's own certificate of airman and that the PIC hours will have little or nothing to do with obtaining a certificate to jump in a real airplane.  At this point, it's not like that.  I'll put my hours in as a real pilot and in a real airplane to move forward.  Just like being able to use up to 10 hours of simulation time for your instrument rating, I think UAS hours will be similar.  At this point, logging the hours is nothing more than a resume padder.

On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 3:51 PM, Keith Hoard <klhoard at hotmail.com> wrote:

So you're going to count UAS hours toward you Commercial (full scale) Pilot's license?

Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 7, 2014, at 15:36, "Scott McHarg" <scmcharg at gmail.com> wrote:

Being a UAS pilot for Texas A&M, I have a bit of insight into the UAS "Commercial/Civilian" program.  Right now, the FAA has issued several universities, including Texas A&M, a CoA (Certificate of Authorization) and/or an exemption.  The current CoA provides Texas A&M the ability to contract myself as a pilot as long as I have a Class 3 medical and have taken the written (Knowledge Test).  This current CoA expires this year and allows us to fly up to 400 AGL and WVR (within visual range) aka fly as an R/C plane.  The new CoA will require us as pilots to have our PPL and then will allow us to fly up to 17.999 MSL in VFR conditions and BVR (beyond visual range).  This IS the program that will help the FAA decide on future rules for UAS activity and why we are being issued CoA's.

In the process of getting my PPL, I became slightly concerned about how the CoA will affect us as pilots.  PPL holders cannot accept payment for flights and may not pay less than a pro-rata share of expenses to operate the aircraft.  We, as pilots, are compensated for the flights.  According to the rules, this contradicts the FAA rules and the CoA and FAA are now in conflict.  I decided to call the FAA in Houston to get the "official" answer.  I spoke to Jeff Riff, head of UAS activity in HOU, and explained my issues with what was going on.  I asked, A.) How is it OK that I get paid to do this under the CoA with my PPL and B.) Since the CoA requires my PPL, do I get to log the hours I fly the UAS.  His answer was...."You can accept payment but you cannot log the hours....yet.  You can accept payment because, at this time, the FAA does not consider an UAS an airplane.  You cannot log your flight hours as PIC or under your PPL because the FAA does not consider an UAS an airplane."

What's the whole point to this??  The programs that are being instituted throughout the country are to help the FAA decide how to moderate the UAS category as well as what will define an UAS in the future.  Based on our conversations, I would say the FAA is 3-6 years away from making these determinations.  I am very confident, however, that we as R/C fliers, worry a little too much.  The FAA recognizes our group via the AMA and has given these responsibilities to the AMA.  From my conversations and, of course, being involved with the FAA in regards to this program, we don't need to worry too much but should certainly be vigilant as to what is going on.  Mr. Riff told me that he would recommend keeping my flight hours logged in a separate book because he feels that within the next 3-6 years that I would be able to log UAS hours under my PPL.  If I ever need to get my commercial license to comply, I will certainly need those hours to count!

Since the FAA does not consider UAS ships an aircraft...at least yet....they don't have much of a leg to stand on.

Best Regards,

Scott McHarg

On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 2:16 PM, David Harmon <k6xyz at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

That’s what I immediately thought as well….

 David Harmon

Sperry, OK 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Larry Diamond

Sent: Friday, March 7, 2014 12:28 PM
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Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FAA and Model Aircraft

 I expect things are about to change regarding regulation of commercial drones and model aircraft.

 It will be interesting to see how this plays out...

 This is a loss for the FAA and model aircraft hobbyist and a big win for the commercial industry, which will get tightened up with new quick regs, I would imagine.

 Only my opinion, I could be wrong...
 Must Read...

 http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/03/07/judge-dismisses-faa-fine-against-small-drone-user/?intcmp=latestnews

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