[NSRCA-discussion] Advanced Maneuvers for 2015

John Gayer jgghome at comcast.net
Wed Jul 30 16:38:01 AKDT 2014 

You must be from California!

On 7/30/2014 6:31 PM, Jon Bruml via NSRCA-discussion wrote:
> It's an etherial experience and it's quite individual
>
> Jon Bruml
> Techstyles Sportswear
>
> On Jul 30, 2014, at 7:14 PM, Chris Moon via NSRCA-discussion 
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 
> <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:
>
>> Hi guys, let me jump in and just say that pattern flying is a hobby 
>> and a lot like golf a lot of people like having the latest and 
>> greatest as a matter of personal satisfaction rather than need and 
>> that is ok, it's not a reflection on what is required to succeed in 
>> the event.  Some get a lot of pleasure owning a new Oxai plane every 
>> year just because and some like seeing how well they can do on a 
>> small budget and these are side issues to the event and completely 
>> unrelated to how well someone will place in a contest.  Can an ugly 
>> stik win advanced at the NATS, I'm sure not, but most any hand me 
>> down 2 meter in the right hands with practice and some coaching most 
>> certainly can.  I would even argue that the intermediate pilot who 
>> buys the latest / greatest FAI plane design is at a distinct 
>> disadvantage in his class as those planes are optimized for maneuvers 
>> that are not in any AMA class and is probably more difficult to fly 
>> overall than an older design would be.  The extra side area and 
>> canalizers are great for rolling loops etc but can make things more 
>> challenging in a plain old crosswind doing a simple cuban eight.  My 
>> point is that there is a fallacy that a newer design will benefit 
>> everyone in every class, when the opposite might well be true.  
>> However, if someone likes having the latest and greatest in 
>> intermediate or whatever class because they like nice stuff, go for 
>> it because it's a hobby in the end and however you get satisfaction 
>> is up to you.  A 5-6 year old design will most certainly be competitive.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/30/2014 6:42 PM, Del R via NSRCA-discussion wrote:
>>> Hit send to early.. Meant to type if I return to precision 
>>> aerobatics it is with the expectation of investing in a new bird and 
>>> all new equipment that will not need any upgrade for 5 or 6 years.. 
>>> Maybe I am deluding myself to have such expectations. Course I know 
>>> some go through 2 or more airplanes a season.. That was never me due..
>>>     Del
>>>
>>>     ----- Original Message -----
>>>     *From:* Chuck Hochhalter via NSRCA-discussion
>>>     <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>     *To:* Gary Switala <mailto:plane.gary at cox.net> ; General pattern
>>>     discussion <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>     *Sent:* Wednesday, July 30, 2014 3:47 PM
>>>     *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Advanced Maneuvers for 2015
>>>
>>>     Setup makes pattern easier, a poorly setup plane avg or state of
>>>     the art is still a poor setup plane. But, I contend it will
>>>     still be capable of flying the maneuvers in the advanced sequence.
>>>
>>>     There is nothing g in any of the new sequences that needs
>>>     anything more than what was required in last years sequences.
>>>
>>>     Chuck
>>>
>>>     Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>     On Jul 30, 2014, at 2:43 PM, Gary Switala via NSRCA-discussion
>>>     <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>>     <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>           Average is more than just the equipment and  time given
>>>>     to practice. Critiquing from a good knowledgeable coach is a
>>>>     must. Some of us do not have this luxury. You can practice all
>>>>     you want and think you're great, but without proper critiquing
>>>>     you'll be in for a shock at a contest. You also have to look at
>>>>     the setup of the plane,  Motor thrust, up, down, right, left?
>>>>     Wing incidence, proper placement of the battery, act. Then
>>>>     there's  the proper trim, and this done in combo with getting
>>>>     the proper setup working to get the trim perfect. Now we move
>>>>     on to the radio. With the plane trimmed we still, in some
>>>>     cases, need to have the radio manipulate our inputs to hide
>>>>     unwanted characteristics. This is Mixing. Sometimes this goes
>>>>     well and sometime it does not and takes time. Then the Expo and
>>>>     DR, and when and how and what percentages to set them up in the
>>>>     radio to work to your advantage. In some cases we move back and
>>>>     forth with Thrust, weight balance, adding weight to a wing
>>>>     panel and so on. Not plug and play. Setting  up the ESC also
>>>>     not plug and play. Prop choices APC, Carbon what diameter what
>>>>     pitch, etc. I've flown with some guys that don't even know on
>>>>     how to set up their timer on the radio.  If you're flying an
>>>>     average plane and have all this worked out to a 100% you have a
>>>>     killing plane. If you have a new out of the box high dollar ARF
>>>>     and have only worked out some or none of the described issues,
>>>>     you do not.
>>>>
>>>>     Caution
>>>>
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