[NSRCA-discussion] LIPOs on board?

[Del R]

That is the bad side of electric vehicles they don't want the public to know.. I have been told that fire departments have all ready been warned on how difficult it can be to deal with an electric car fire. 
 
    Del
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  From: John Pavlick via NSRCA-discussion 
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  And I wonder what will happen when there's a major accident involving an electric car on a highway somewhere.

   

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  From: NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Gayer via NSRCA-discussion
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  This article appeared in the Albuquerque Journal this morning. I was not aware that large shipments of lithium batteries could still be just under my seat on my next flight. We all know what havoc a single 10S pack can do if it catches fire. I find it hard to believe that an airliner could survive a palletfull going up. It's no surprise that the fire suppressant they used had no effect.
  There is a proposed rule going into effect the first of the year that is supposed to eliminate commercial shipments from passenger airliners- if it isn't blocked or postponed. I wonder what the checkin counter response would be to a question of whether there is a shipment of lipos on board? Think they could even find out that information?

  John Gayer

  Shipments of lithium-ion units raise concerns over fires, blasts
  WASHINGTON - Dramatic U.S. government test results raise new concern that bulk shipments of rechargeable lithium batteries carried as cargo on passenger planes are susceptible to fires or explosions that could destroy the airliners.

  This video frame grab shows a test of a cargo container packed with 5,000 lithium-ion batteries and a cartridThis video frame grab shows a test of a cargo container packed with 5,000 lithium-ion batteries and a cartridge heater that resulted in a fire and explosion. 

  Yet U.S. and international officials have been slow to adopt safety restrictions that might affect the powerful industries that depend on the batteries and the airlines that profit from shipping them. The batteries are used in products ranging from cellphones and laptops to hybrid cars.

  Shipments of rechargeable batteries on passenger planes are supposed to be limited to no more than a handful in a single box, under safety standards set by the U.N.'s International Civil Aviation Organization and adopted by the U.S. and other nations. But a loophole permits shippers to pack many small boxes into one shipment and get around the rules. Tens of thousands of the batteries may be packed into pallets or containers and loaded into the cargo holds of wide-body passenger planes.

  In an April test by the Federal Aviation Administration, a cargo container was packed with 5,000 lithium-ion batteries and a cartridge heater added to simulate a single battery experiencing uncontrolled overheating. The heat from the cartridge triggered escalating overheating in nearby batteries, which spread in a chain reaction. Temperatures reached about 1,100 degrees.

  Once about 300 batteries had become involved, a fierce explosion blew open the container door and sent boxes flying, catching FAA and industry observers by surprise. Within seconds, the cargo container was in flames. The explosion came from a buildup of flammable gases. A second test in September produced similar results, despite the addition of a fire suppression agent.

  The U.N.'s civil aviation agency is considering a series of proposals to strengthen packaging, labeling and handling standards for lithium-ion battery shipments, and airline pilot unions are pushing for limits on the number of batteries that can be transported.

   



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