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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>That is the bad side of electric
vehicles they don't want the public to know.. I have been told that fire
departments have all ready been warned on how difficult it can be to deal
with an electric car fire. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial> Del</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">John Pavlick via
NSRCA-discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'General pattern
discussion'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 03, 2014 4:45
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] LIPOs on
board?</DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">And
I wonder what will happen when there’s a major accident involving an electric
car on a highway somewhere…<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">John
Pavlick<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Cell:
203-417-4971<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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NSRCA-discussion [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>John Gayer via NSRCA-discussion<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday,
December 03, 2014 4:15 PM<BR><B>To:</B> NSRCA Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B>
[NSRCA-discussion] LIPOs on board?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal>This article appeared in the
Albuquerque Journal this morning. I was not aware that large shipments of
lithium batteries could still be just under my seat on my next flight. We all
know what havoc a single 10S pack can do if it catches fire. I find it hard to
believe that an airliner could survive a palletfull going up. It's no surprise
that the fire suppressant they used had no effect.<BR>There is a proposed rule
going into effect the first of the year that is supposed to eliminate
commercial shipments from passenger airliners- if it isn't blocked or
postponed. I wonder what the checkin counter response would be to a question
of whether there is a shipment of lipos on board? Think they could even find
out that information?<BR><BR>John Gayer<o:p></o:p></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Georgia','serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-WEIGHT: normal">Shipments
of lithium-ion units raise concerns over fires, blasts<o:p></o:p></SPAN></H2>
<P
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 14.4pt; TEXT-INDENT: 0.3in; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 9pt">WASHINGTON
— Dramatic U.S. government test results raise new concern that bulk shipments
of rechargeable lithium batteries carried as cargo on passenger planes are
susceptible to fires or explosions that could destroy the
airliners.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 9pt"><IMG
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width=595 height=336></SPAN><SPAN class=art-imagetext><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #bbbbbb; FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt">This
video frame grab shows a test of a cargo container packed with 5,000
lithium-ion batteries and a cartrid</SPAN></B></SPAN><SPAN
class=art-imagetext><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 9pt">This
video frame grab shows a test of a cargo container packed with 5,000
lithium-ion batteries and a cartridge heater that resulted in a fire and
explosion.</SPAN></B></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 9pt">
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 14.4pt; TEXT-INDENT: 0.3in; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Yet
U.S. and international officials have been slow to adopt safety restrictions
that might affect the powerful industries that depend on the batteries and the
airlines that profit from shipping them. The batteries are used in products
ranging from cellphones and laptops to hybrid cars.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 14.4pt; TEXT-INDENT: 0.3in; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Shipments
of rechargeable batteries on passenger planes are supposed to be limited to no
more than a handful in a single box, under safety standards set by the U.N.’s
International Civil Aviation Organization and adopted by the U.S. and other
nations. But a loophole permits shippers to pack many small boxes into one
shipment and get around the rules. Tens of thousands of the batteries may be
packed into pallets or containers and loaded into the cargo holds of wide-body
passenger planes.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 14.4pt; TEXT-INDENT: 0.3in; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 9pt">In
an April test by the Federal Aviation Administration, a cargo container was
packed with 5,000 lithium-ion batteries and a cartridge heater added to
simulate a single battery experiencing uncontrolled overheating. The heat from
the cartridge triggered escalating overheating in nearby batteries, which
spread in a chain reaction. Temperatures reached about 1,100
degrees.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 14.4pt; TEXT-INDENT: 0.3in; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Once
about 300 batteries had become involved, a fierce explosion blew open the
container door and sent boxes flying, catching FAA and industry observers by
surprise. Within seconds, the cargo container was in flames. The explosion
came from a buildup of flammable gases. A second test in September produced
similar results, despite the addition of a fire suppression
agent.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 14.4pt; TEXT-INDENT: 0.3in; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 9pt">The
U.N.’s civil aviation agency is considering a series of proposals to
strengthen packaging, labeling and handling standards for lithium-ion battery
shipments, and airline pilot unions are pushing for limits on the number of
batteries that can be transported.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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