[NSRCA-discussion] LIPOs on board?

[John Gayer]

If either happens there will be a s***storm over who is to blame while 
ignoring what should be done to prevent a re-occurrence.  Or better yet 
put in place some reasonable laws to make an occurrence less likely, 
keeping in mind the old story about the safest airplane.
John
On 12/3/2014 2:45 PM, John Pavlick via NSRCA-discussion wrote:
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> And I wonder what will happen when there's a major accident involving 
> an electric car on a highway somewhere...
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> Gayer via NSRCA-discussion
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> This article appeared in the Albuquerque Journal this morning. I was 
> not aware that large shipments of lithium batteries could still be 
> just under my seat on my next flight. We all know what havoc a single 
> 10S pack can do if it catches fire. I find it hard to believe that an 
> airliner could survive a palletfull going up. It's no surprise that 
> the fire suppressant they used had no effect.
> There is a proposed rule going into effect the first of the year that 
> is supposed to eliminate commercial shipments from passenger 
> airliners- if it isn't blocked or postponed. I wonder what the checkin 
> counter response would be to a question of whether there is a shipment 
> of lipos on board? Think they could even find out that information?
>
> John Gayer
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>     Shipments of lithium-ion units raise concerns over fires, blasts
>
> WASHINGTON --- Dramatic U.S. government test results raise new concern 
> that bulk shipments of rechargeable lithium batteries carried as cargo 
> on passenger planes are susceptible to fires or explosions that could 
> destroy the airliners.
>
> *This video frame grab shows a test of a cargo container packed with 
> 5,000 lithium-ion batteries and a cartrid**This video frame grab shows 
> a test of a cargo container packed with 5,000 lithium-ion batteries 
> and a cartridge heater that resulted in a fire and explosion.*
>
> Yet U.S. and international officials have been slow to adopt safety 
> restrictions that might affect the powerful industries that depend on 
> the batteries and the airlines that profit from shipping them. The 
> batteries are used in products ranging from cellphones and laptops to 
> hybrid cars.
>
> Shipments of rechargeable batteries on passenger planes are supposed 
> to be limited to no more than a handful in a single box, under safety 
> standards set by the U.N.'s International Civil Aviation Organization 
> and adopted by the U.S. and other nations. But a loophole permits 
> shippers to pack many small boxes into one shipment and get around the 
> rules. Tens of thousands of the batteries may be packed into pallets 
> or containers and loaded into the cargo holds of wide-body passenger 
> planes.
>
> In an April test by the Federal Aviation Administration, a cargo 
> container was packed with 5,000 lithium-ion batteries and a cartridge 
> heater added to simulate a single battery experiencing uncontrolled 
> overheating. The heat from the cartridge triggered escalating 
> overheating in nearby batteries, which spread in a chain reaction. 
> Temperatures reached about 1,100 degrees.
>
> Once about 300 batteries had become involved, a fierce explosion blew 
> open the container door and sent boxes flying, catching FAA and 
> industry observers by surprise. Within seconds, the cargo container 
> was in flames. The explosion came from a buildup of flammable gases. A 
> second test in September produced similar results, despite the 
> addition of a fire suppression agent.
>
> The U.N.'s civil aviation agency is considering a series of proposals 
> to strengthen packaging, labeling and handling standards for 
> lithium-ion battery shipments, and airline pilot unions are pushing 
> for limits on the number of batteries that can be transported.
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