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If either happens there will be a s***storm over who is to blame
while ignoring what should be done to prevent a re-occurrence. Or
better yet put in place some reasonable laws to make an occurrence
less likely, keeping in mind the old story about the safest
airplane.<br>
John<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/3/2014 2:45 PM, John Pavlick via
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I wonder what will happen when there’s a major accident
involving
an electric car on a highway somewhere…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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NSRCA-discussion
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>John
Gayer via NSRCA-discussion<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 03, 2014 4:15 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> NSRCA Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [NSRCA-discussion] LIPOs on board?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">This article
appeared in the
Albuquerque Journal this morning. I was not aware that large
shipments of
lithium batteries could still be just under my seat on my next
flight. We all
know what havoc a single 10S pack can do if it catches fire. I
find it hard to
believe that an airliner could survive a palletfull going up.
It's no surprise
that the fire suppressant they used had no effect.<br>
There is a proposed rule going into effect the first of the
year that is
supposed to eliminate commercial shipments from passenger
airliners- if it
isn't blocked or postponed. I wonder what the checkin counter
response would be
to a question of whether there is a shipment of lipos on
board? Think they
could even find out that information?<br>
<br>
John Gayer<o:p></o:p></p>
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color:#333333">WASHINGTON — Dramatic U.S. government test
results raise new
concern that bulk shipments of rechargeable lithium
batteries carried as cargo
on passenger planes are susceptible to fires or explosions
that could destroy
the airliners.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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packed
with 5,000 lithium-ion batteries and a cartrid</span></b></span><span
class="art-imagetext"><b><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#333333">This
video frame grab shows a test of a cargo container
packed
with 5,000 lithium-ion batteries and a cartridge
heater that resulted in a fire
and explosion.</span></b></span><span
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<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:#333333">Yet U.S. and international officials have
been slow to adopt
safety restrictions that might affect the powerful
industries that depend on
the batteries and the airlines that profit from shipping
them. The batteries
are used in products ranging from cellphones and laptops
to hybrid cars.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:.3in;line-height:14.4pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:#333333">Shipments of rechargeable batteries on
passenger planes are
supposed to be limited to no more than a handful in a
single box, under safety
standards set by the U.N.’s International Civil Aviation
Organization and
adopted by the U.S. and other nations. But a loophole
permits shippers to pack
many small boxes into one shipment and get around the
rules. Tens of thousands
of the batteries may be packed into pallets or containers
and loaded into the
cargo holds of wide-body passenger planes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#333333">In an April test by the Federal Aviation
Administration, a cargo
container was packed with 5,000 lithium-ion batteries and
a cartridge heater
added to simulate a single battery experiencing
uncontrolled overheating. The
heat from the cartridge triggered escalating overheating
in nearby batteries,
which spread in a chain reaction. Temperatures reached
about 1,100 degrees.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:.3in;line-height:14.4pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:#333333">Once about 300 batteries had become
involved, a fierce explosion
blew open the container door and sent boxes flying,
catching FAA and industry
observers by surprise. Within seconds, the cargo container
was in flames. The
explosion came from a buildup of flammable gases. A second
test in September
produced similar results, despite the addition of a fire
suppression agent.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:#333333">The U.N.’s civil aviation agency is
considering a series of
proposals to strengthen packaging, labeling and handling
standards for
lithium-ion battery shipments, and airline pilot unions
are pushing for limits
on the number of batteries that can be transported.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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