[NSRCA-discussion] LI-IO packs

John Gayer jgghome at comcast.net
Thu Oct 31 13:53:32 AKDT 2013


Yeah, it was a general question. I really would like to know why LI-IONs 
are purchased and the perceived advantage?
Scott, I think you should immediately throw them in the trash and 
replace them with the most expensive lipos you can find. :)
On 10/31/2013 3:43 PM, Dansy44 wrote:
> Ahah I don't think he was talking specifically about you :))
>
> Sent from Daniel iPad 2
>
> On Oct 31, 2013, at 16:32, Scott McHarg <scmcharg at gmail.com 
> <mailto:scmcharg at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> They came with the plane?  :)
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 4:23 PM, John Gayer <jgghome at comcast.net 
>> <mailto:jgghome at comcast.net>> wrote:
>>
>>     No, Lithium-Ion cells appear to be expensive, heavy lipos. both
>>     seem to charge to approximately 4.2.
>>     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_ion_battery#Charge_and_discharge
>>     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_polymer_battery
>>
>>     There appears to be a weight and price penalty associated with
>>     the litium-ion battery over the lithium-polymer battery with no
>>     benefit. Perhaps someone can explain the popularity of lithium-ion?
>>     John
>>     On 10/31/2013 1:21 PM, joddino at socal.rr.com
>>     <mailto:joddino at socal.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>         ---- Daniel Dupont <dansy44 at gmail.com
>>         <mailto:dansy44 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>             So Jim if I understand correctly Lithium-ion cells are
>>             basically cheap
>>             Lipo¹s?
>>
>>             Hum I always believed they were a slightly different
>>             technologyS(.
>>
>>             Daniel on MacBook Pro
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>             On 10/31/2013, 1:46 PM, "joddino at socal.rr.com
>>             <mailto:joddino at socal.rr.com>" <joddino at socal.rr.com
>>             <mailto:joddino at socal.rr.com>>
>>             wrote:
>>
>>                 ---- Scott McHarg <scmcharg at gmail.com
>>                 <mailto:scmcharg at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>                     Morning y'all,
>>
>>                     I've spoken to a few people about charging
>>                     Lithium Ion packs but we did
>>                     not
>>                     arrive at a definitive answer.  I need to
>>                     understand what the best
>>                     solution
>>                     (besides buying another charger) is for my situation.
>>
>>                     I consider myself fairly knowledgeable about the
>>                     Cellpro 10XP.  Usually,
>>                     it's me giving the help but I'm not sure what to
>>                     do here.  Here's the
>>                     scenario:
>>
>>                       Cellpro 10XP Multi-Chemistry Charger.  The User
>>                     Manual and everything
>>                     about the charger says that it can charge the ION
>>                     packs.  So, I go to
>>                     program a preset for this but in the software,
>>                     there is nothing that
>>                     says
>>                     anything about ION packs.  There is LiPo, Pb,
>>                     A123, Ni-Cd, and Nickel
>>                     Metal.  I have some ION 7.4V 5200mah packs that I
>>                     need to charge and a
>>                     2600mah pack for the ignition on a 42% Edge 540.
>>                      The packs are made of
>>                     4
>>                     cells but are wired so that they are only 2 (2 in
>>                     series, 2 in parallel)
>>                     cells.  As close as I can tell, I should select
>>                     the LiPo 2sU (2 cell
>>                     unbalanced) but I don't want to make a mistake.
>>                      Someone told me that
>>                     would
>>                     be OK and another said that if you program the
>>                     charger by the charger
>>                     instead of the software, there is an ION setting
>>                     but I haven't confirmed
>>                     that yet as it was late last night when I was
>>                     checking.
>>
>>                     Anyone have any idea what to do to charge these
>>                     packs?
>>
>>                     Thanks,
>>
>>                     -- 
>>                     *Scott A. McHarg*
>>                     Sr. Systems Engineer - Infrastructure
>>
>>                 If they are lithium-ion cells they should be charged
>>                 to 4.2 volts per
>>                 cell or 8.4 volts for a 2s pack.  Lithium polymer
>>                 cells are lithium ion
>>                 and are charged the same.  My Cellpro charger charges
>>                 to 4.204 volts per
>>                 cell when set for LiPo packs and that is what should
>>                 be used for Lithium
>>                 ion.  The Lithium ion cells generally have higher
>>                 internal resistance and
>>                 therefore can not be discharged or charged at high
>>                 rates.  I use one C
>>                 max.
>>
>>                 Jim O
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>>         The first Li-Ion cells used in the RC industry were packaged
>>         in metal cylindrical cans similar to NiCds.  Then the packs
>>         packaged in flexible plastic sacks arrived for use in
>>         powering motors.  These came to be referred to as LiPo packs
>>         but basically used the same chemistry but also had the
>>         advantage of having low internal resistance.  Since those
>>         early days many other chemistries with different fully
>>         charged voltages have arrived and many charger suppliers have
>>         tried to cover them as well.  The voltages printed on the
>>         packs are typically a nominal voltage and might be 7.2, 7;4
>>         or 7.6 volts even though the full charge voltage is 8.4.  I
>>         suspect the cells referred to here have the metal cans and
>>         that is why they are described as Li-Ion.  Hope this helps.
>>
>>         Jim O
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>> -- 
>> *Scott A. McHarg*
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