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    Yeah, it was a general question. I really would like to know why
    LI-IONs are purchased and the perceived advantage?<br>
    Scott, I think you should immediately throw them in the trash and
    replace them with the most expensive lipos you can find. :)<br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/31/2013 3:43 PM, Dansy44 wrote:<br>
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      <div>Ahah I don't think he was talking specifically about you :))<br>
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        On Oct 31, 2013, at 16:32, Scott McHarg &lt;<a
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            <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 4:23 PM,
              John Gayer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">No,
                Lithium-Ion cells appear to be expensive, heavy lipos.
                both seem to charge to approximately 4.2.<br>
                <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_ion_battery#Charge_and_discharge"
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                There appears to be a weight and price penalty
                associated with the litium-ion battery over the
                lithium-polymer battery with no benefit. Perhaps someone
                can explain the popularity of lithium-ion?<br>
                John<br>
                On 10/31/2013 1:21 PM, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                  ---- Daniel Dupont &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                    So Jim if I understand correctly Lithium-ion cells
                    are basically cheap<br>
                    Lipo&sup1;s?<br>
                    <br>
                    Hum I always believed they were a slightly different
                    technology&#352;.<br>
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                    Daniel on MacBook Pro<br>
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                    On 10/31/2013, 1:46 PM, "<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:joddino@socal.rr.com" target="_blank">joddino@socal.rr.com</a>"
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                      ---- Scott McHarg &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:scmcharg@gmail.com" target="_blank">scmcharg@gmail.com</a>&gt;
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                        Morning y'all,<br>
                        <br>
                        I've spoken to a few people about charging
                        Lithium Ion packs but we did<br>
                        not<br>
                        arrive at a definitive answer. &nbsp;I need to
                        understand what the best<br>
                        solution<br>
                        (besides buying another charger) is for my
                        situation.<br>
                        <br>
                        I consider myself fairly knowledgeable about the
                        Cellpro 10XP. &nbsp;Usually,<br>
                        it's me giving the help but I'm not sure what to
                        do here. &nbsp;Here's the<br>
                        scenario:<br>
                        <br>
                        &nbsp; Cellpro 10XP Multi-Chemistry Charger. &nbsp;The
                        User Manual and everything<br>
                        about the charger says that it can charge the
                        ION packs. &nbsp;So, I go to<br>
                        program a preset for this but in the software,
                        there is nothing that<br>
                        says<br>
                        anything about ION packs. &nbsp;There is LiPo, Pb,
                        A123, Ni-Cd, and Nickel<br>
                        Metal. &nbsp;I have some ION 7.4V 5200mah packs that
                        I need to charge and a<br>
                        2600mah pack for the ignition on a 42% Edge 540.
                        &nbsp;The packs are made of<br>
                        4<br>
                        cells but are wired so that they are only 2 (2
                        in series, 2 in parallel)<br>
                        cells. &nbsp;As close as I can tell, I should select
                        the LiPo 2sU (2 cell<br>
                        unbalanced) but I don't want to make a mistake.
                        &nbsp;Someone told me that<br>
                        would<br>
                        be OK and another said that if you program the
                        charger by the charger<br>
                        instead of the software, there is an ION setting
                        but I haven't confirmed<br>
                        that yet as it was late last night when I was
                        checking.<br>
                        <br>
                        Anyone have any idea what to do to charge these
                        packs?<br>
                        <br>
                        Thanks,<br>
                        <br>
                        -- <br>
                        *Scott A. McHarg*<br>
                        Sr. Systems Engineer - Infrastructure<br>
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                      If they are lithium-ion cells they should be
                      charged to 4.2 volts per<br>
                      cell or 8.4 volts for a 2s pack. &nbsp;Lithium polymer
                      cells are lithium ion<br>
                      and are charged the same. &nbsp;My Cellpro charger
                      charges to 4.204 volts per<br>
                      cell when set for LiPo packs and that is what
                      should be used for Lithium<br>
                      ion. &nbsp;The Lithium ion cells generally have higher
                      internal resistance and<br>
                      therefore can not be discharged or charged at high
                      rates. &nbsp;I use one C<br>
                      max.<br>
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                      Jim O<br>
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                  The first Li-Ion cells used in the RC industry were
                  packaged in metal cylindrical cans similar to NiCds.
                  &nbsp;Then the packs packaged in flexible plastic sacks
                  arrived for use in powering motors. &nbsp;These came to be
                  referred to as LiPo packs but basically used the same
                  chemistry but also had the advantage of having low
                  internal resistance. &nbsp;Since those early days many
                  other chemistries with different fully charged
                  voltages have arrived and many charger suppliers have
                  tried to cover them as well. &nbsp;The voltages printed on
                  the packs are typically a nominal voltage and might be
                  7.2, 7;4 or 7.6 volts even though the full charge
                  voltage is 8.4. &nbsp;I suspect the cells referred to here
                  have the metal cans and that is why they are described
                  as Li-Ion. &nbsp;Hope this helps.<br>
                  <br>
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