[NSRCA-discussion] CIAM Meeting Representation

Tue Mar 12 16:12:20 AKDT 2013

We can run off and vilify the AMA over this, but I think some of the reality is that there are soooooo many niche's in the FAI program that trying to determine how to completely support them all is financially impractical in this day and age.  Yes, we're one of the pillars, but our total participation at the FAI level is actually VERY low.  I think a total of 10 people this past cycle.  That in itself is a problem, but regardless, it become difficult for the AMA to support sending a rep for every FAI program that has 10 paying participants.    I just checked.. .we had 11 participants in 2012 and 11 in 2010.  Control line scale had about the same.

We should strongly consider trying to work this into the NSRCA budget in some way.  It's important to us collectively, regardless of the total number that actually pay for an FAI stamp.  They lead the program that we follow, and establish all the rules for our international competitions.  It's important that we (the NSRCA) have a voice at the table.

Just my $0.02

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On Mar 12, 2013, at 7:55 PM, Derek Koopowitz <derekkoopowitz at gmail.com<mailto:derekkoopowitz at gmail.com>> wrote:

Airfare alone is about $1100 and then there is food/accommodations for 3 nights, train fare from Zurich to Lausanne and back... I would estimate at least another $800 everything else.

On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Peter Vogel <vogel.peter at gmail.com<mailto:vogel.peter at gmail.com>> wrote:
How much would you need?

And Ron, I think that's exactly what it is.  It's part of why I voted against Bob Brown, he said as much in his campaign statement...

Peter+

On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 5:53 PM, Derek Koopowitz <derekkoopowitz at gmail.com<mailto:derekkoopowitz at gmail.com>> wrote:
That is true, Bill.  I was sent a letter by the AMA stating that travel expenses would not be paid for and that I could attend if I paid for myself or the NSRCA paid for me to attend.

I can only believe that this will only further isolate us (F3A) from the rest of the world.  Yes, I'm still the rep to CIAM but face-to-face meetings accomplish so much more than through email.  I had built up a great relationship with the movers/shakers in F3A and now I feel that it will be in jeopardy.

On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Bill's Email <silentav8r at cox.net<mailto:silentav8r at cox.net>> wrote:
Thought you folks might be interested what is going on in the soaring side of the FAI world. A proposal to condense several events, soaring being one of them, has been submitted. The soaring community in the US is taking notice that AMA is not funding the individual area reps to go to the meeting, so the soaring folks have decided to try to fund it themselves. Here's the thread:

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=24403409&postcount=1

This is the document that has gotten them to do this:

http://lomcovak.cz/wp_eng/f3b/2013/03/f3b-world-championship-in-future-canceled/

F3A is mentioned, but only in that it should remain as is. F3M is talked about as a target for elimination. Again, this is a proposal submitted for consideration.

Thought you might find it interesting. I recall reading that our US F3A CIAM rep was also told by AMA that they would not fund his travel.

Bill in OC

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