[NSRCA-discussion] Air Conditioned Shop

[astropuppy]

After receiving some terrific A/C advice from the list; Thought I'd follow
up with what I actually bought.

The split systems are nice; but, cost about as much as a 2M pattern plane.
Don't know about you; but, I'd rather have another airplane. Since my shop
doesn't have any windows using even a portable unit meant sawing a hole in
the wall for a vent.

The climate here in Boise is very dry; call it a dry heat if you want; I
call anything over 90 just plain hot; dry or wet. Low humidity was key to
my decision to try a swamp cooler.

The other day it was 103 outside, 95 in my shop and around 80 in front of
the swamp cooler loaded with ice water. Cost was $125 to my door. The
difference between +90 and 80 works for the few days I really need it, your
mileage may very.

Swamp coolers will not and are not intended to work in areas with more then
about 40% humidity. You'll just be wasting your money.

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On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Keith Black <tkeithblack at gmail.com> wrote:

> Seems like a very good price, I'd search for reviews on the unit first.
> You want it to run trouble free for years.
>
> These units are far superior to window units. They are widely used as AC
> solutions for older buildings that don't have built in ducting or attic
> areas. You see them all over historic areas. In Europe and Asia they have
> been very popular for a long time. One thing nice about these over window
> units is the compressor can be hidden outside somewhere and the actual
> blower unit can be up high at ceiling level. This is much nicer than the
> window units that are rather clunky looking. Also, you don't need a window.
> ;-)  They are also surprisingly quite and energy efficient.
>
> For me, this unit made a huge difference in my ability to build during the
> uncomfortable seasons. It also allows me to store my equipment in a temp
> controlled area rather than the typical 110 degree garage that we have here
> in Texas. All in all I think it is a terrific investment for people in our
> hobby.
>
> Best of luck,
> Keith Black
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 8:47 AM, astropuppy <astropuppy at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This list sure is a great resource, before yesterday I didn't have any
>> idea there was such a thing as a "Mini Split Air conditioner".
>>
>> Here's the low down on my wife. She inspects laboratory's for a living
>> and frequently mandates they be cooler. Long story short she says a Mini
>> Split unit probably works better then a window or portable unit. And here I
>> thought I had married a bimbo. Bad news is the cost comes out of the
>> airplane budget.
>>
>> Mini Splits seem to be all the rage on the web. Amazon has some lower
>> priced units with good reviews  Here's 18,000 btu for $728 which puts cost
>> inline with a large window unit. The best solution for my shop would be a
>> ceiling mount.
>> http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-Conditioner-Dehumidification-Ventilation-Installation/dp/B0095VAEOC/ref=pd_sim_sbs_hg_2/176-5609692-6728554
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 7:02 PM, Dave Burton <burtona at atmc.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I did the ductless mini split heat pump in my 24 X 36 garage/shop too.
>>> It’s a 21,000 btu unit and works great in summer and winter. Total cost was
>>> about $1,200.00 as I bought it on e-bay and did the installation myself. A
>>> hole the size of a dryer vent in an outside wall and two pipes and a power
>>> cord were all the cutting I had to do. Outside unit mounted on a concrete
>>> pad ****
>>>
>>> Dave****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:
>>> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of *Keith Black
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 12, 2013 6:16 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* General pattern discussion
>>> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Air Conditioned Shop****
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>>>
>>> I put a Ductless Mini Split AC in my garage and it's been awesome. Mine
>>> has a heat pump so it heats in the winter and cools in the summer. It also
>>> keeps the humidity very low.****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> This needs to be installed and can't be rolled around, so if that's OK
>>> it is an excellent solution.****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Look up "Mini Split Air conditioner" on google. I have a Hitachi unit.**
>>> **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Keith Black****
>>>
>>>  ****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 4:16 PM, astropuppy <astropuppy at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:****
>>>
>>> Thanks Scott,****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> One of my obstacles is the garage doesn't have any windows. NewAir told
>>> me their exhaust hose is 5.59" in diameter; I need to figure out a way to
>>> go through the wall. I'm looking for a dryer type vent to put through the
>>> wall.****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Pat, Real pattern pilots fly in wind, sissy's fly in Oregon!****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Mike****
>>>
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>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Scott McHarg <scmcharg at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:****
>>>
>>> Mike,****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> I did just this for my....we'll call it "man-cave".  It's a 2 car garage
>>> and I used a 14,000 BTU portable unit from Lowe's.  The worst part was
>>> figuring out how to vent the unit.  After looking at different
>>> possibilities, I wound up cutting a hole for the tube and exhausting it out
>>> the laundry room window as designed.  It worked perfect and cools down the
>>> 22' deep garage  from regular closed garage temperatures in Southeast Texas
>>> (read freakin hot and humid) to 75-78 in a few hours.****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Holler if you need more info.....****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 4:00 PM, astropuppy <astropuppy at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:****
>>>
>>> I'm just going to throw this out. Does anybody have experience using a
>>> portable (the kind that rolls around) Air Conditioner in their shop? I'm
>>> trying to cool down a well insulated two car garage.****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Mike****
>>>
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