<div dir="ltr">After receiving some terrific A/C advice from the list; Thought I'd follow up with what I actually bought.<div><br></div><div>The split systems are nice; but, cost about as much as a 2M pattern plane. Don't know about you; but, I'd rather have another airplane. Since my shop doesn't have any windows using even a portable unit meant sawing a hole in the wall for a vent.</div>
<div><br></div><div>The climate here in Boise is very dry; call it a dry heat if you want; I call anything over 90 just plain hot; dry or wet. Low humidity was key to my decision to try a swamp cooler. </div><div><br></div>
<div>The other day it was 103 outside, 95 in my shop and around 80 in front of the swamp cooler loaded with ice water. Cost was $125 to my door. The difference between +90 and 80 works for the few days I really need it, your mileage may very.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Swamp coolers will not and are not intended to work in areas with more then about 40% humidity. You'll just be wasting your money. </div><div><br></div><div><img src="cid:ii_14026cb1322b5b6e" alt="Inline image 1"></div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Keith Black <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tkeithblack@gmail.com" target="_blank">tkeithblack@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Seems like a very good price, I'd search for reviews on the unit first. You want it to run trouble free for years.<div>
<br></div><div>These units are far superior to window units. They are widely used as AC solutions for older buildings that don't have built in ducting or attic areas. You see them all over historic areas. In Europe and Asia they have been very popular for a long time. One thing nice about these over window units is the compressor can be hidden outside somewhere and the actual blower unit can be up high at ceiling level. This is much nicer than the window units that are rather clunky looking. Also, you don't need a window. ;-) They are also surprisingly quite and energy efficient. </div>
<div><br></div><div>For me, this unit made a huge difference in my ability to build during the uncomfortable seasons. It also allows me to store my equipment in a temp controlled area rather than the typical 110 degree garage that we have here in Texas. All in all I think it is a terrific investment for people in our hobby.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Best of luck,</div><div>Keith Black </div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 8:47 AM, astropuppy <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:astropuppy@gmail.com" target="_blank">astropuppy@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">This list sure is a great resource, before yesterday I didn't have any idea there was such a thing as a "<span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">Mini Split Air conditioner".</span><div>
<span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><font color="#000000" face="arial, sans-serif">Here's the low down on my wife. She inspects laboratory's for a living and frequently mandates they be cooler. Long story short she says a </font><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">Mini Split unit probably works better then a window or portable unit. And here I thought I had married a bimbo. </span><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">Bad news is the cost comes out of the airplane budget.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><font color="#000000" face="arial, sans-serif">Mini Splits seem to be all the rage on the web. Amazon has some lower priced units with good reviews Here's 18,000 btu for $728 which puts cost inline with a large window unit. The best solution for my shop would be a ceiling mount. </font><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-Conditioner-Dehumidification-Ventilation-Installation/dp/B0095VAEOC/ref=pd_sim_sbs_hg_2/176-5609692-6728554" target="_blank">http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-Conditioner-Dehumidification-Ventilation-Installation/dp/B0095VAEOC/ref=pd_sim_sbs_hg_2/176-5609692-6728554</a></div>
<div><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></span></div></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 7:02 PM, Dave Burton <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:burtona@atmc.net" target="_blank">burtona@atmc.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I did the ductless mini split heat pump in my 24 X 36 garage/shop too. It’s a 21,000 btu unit and works great in summer and winter. Total cost was about $1,200.00 as I bought it on e-bay and did the installation myself. A hole the size of a dryer vent in an outside wall and two pipes and a power cord were all the cutting I had to do. Outside unit mounted on a concrete pad <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Dave<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Keith Black<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 12, 2013 6:16 PM</span></p><div><br><b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Air Conditioned Shop<u></u><u></u></div><p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal">
<u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">I put a Ductless Mini Split AC in my garage and it's been awesome. Mine has a heat pump so it heats in the winter and cools in the summer. It also keeps the humidity very low.<u></u><u></u></p>
<div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">This needs to be installed and can't be rolled around, so if that's OK it is an excellent solution.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Look up "Mini Split Air conditioner" on google. I have a Hitachi unit.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Keith Black<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 4:16 PM, astropuppy <<a href="mailto:astropuppy@gmail.com" target="_blank">astropuppy@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Thanks Scott,<u></u><u></u></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">One of my obstacles is the garage doesn't have any windows. NewAir told me their exhaust hose is 5.59" in diameter; I need to figure out a way to go through the wall. I'm looking for a dryer type vent to put through the wall.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Pat, Real pattern pilots fly in wind, sissy's fly in Oregon!<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal">Mike<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div><div><div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Scott McHarg <<a href="mailto:scmcharg@gmail.com" target="_blank">scmcharg@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue">Mike,<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue">I did just this for my....we'll call it "man-cave". It's a 2 car garage and I used a 14,000 BTU portable unit from Lowe's. The worst part was figuring out how to vent the unit. After looking at different possibilities, I wound up cutting a hole for the tube and exhausting it out the laundry room window as designed. It worked perfect and cools down the 22' deep garage from regular closed garage temperatures in Southeast Texas (read freakin hot and humid) to 75-78 in a few hours.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue">Holler if you need more info.....<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 4:00 PM, astropuppy <<a href="mailto:astropuppy@gmail.com" target="_blank">astropuppy@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I'm just going to throw this out. Does anybody have experience using a portable (the kind that rolls around) Air Conditioner in their shop? I'm trying to cool down a well insulated two car garage.<u></u><u></u></p>
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