[NSRCA-discussion] Team Fund raising Clinics!!!

Scott McHarg scmcharg at gmail.com
Sat Jan 5 15:00:46 AKST 2013 

Mark pointed out that each state also has specific laws relating to raffles
and such.  It's one thing when it's a local event and something completely
different when you open it up Nationally.
On Jan 5, 2013 5:55 PM, "Peter Vogel" <vogel.peter at gmail.com> wrote:

> I was merely explaining the process that has been used in the past due to
> Paypal's raffle preventions.  It's up to Mark & the NSRCA what they are
> willing to do, I'm not aware of any other way to do an online raffle and I
> work in the business (I work for Intuit) -- I believe our Intuit Payment
> Network service has the same restrictions as paypal.  I could use my
> GoPayment account (if needed) to collect funds via credit card, but I would
> have no secure way to receive the credit card #'s online.  I would then
> make a lump payment of the amount in my GoPayment account to the team.
>
> Peter+
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Keith Hoard <khoard at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ummm, OK.  Until someone thinks they got cheated and complains to PayPal.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 5, 2013, at 17:33, Peter Vogel <vogel.peter at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> An Austin-based club often does raffles online using Paypal, I'll leave
>> it to y'all to judge the ethics of it, I personally feel that Paypal's
>> rules are overly restrictive based on an interpretation of what the
>> government means by "gambling" when they prohibit online gambling. Here's
>> how it works -- everything on the paypal side is set up as a donation, but
>> there is a side understanding that for donation of $X you will get Y
>> tickets where Y increases faster than X, but not exponentially.  When you
>> make the donation, you get a range of numbers e-mailed to you as a "thank
>> you for your donation", those are the numbers of the tickets that were
>> assigned to you.  Obviously, you need not be present at the drawing to win.
>>  I've not won, but I do know of some people far from Austin who donated
>> online and actually won a big AJ Slick that was then shipped to them at
>> club expense.
>>
>> Peter+
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Atwood, Mark <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>wrote:
>>
>>> We have actually been taking direct cues from the F3J team.  Even the
>>> new website follows their URL format (and we're hoping will be the format
>>> for all the FAI team.   www.TeamUSAF3A.com<http://www.TeamUSAF3A.com>
>>>
>>> Our raffle will be kicking off at the AMA Expo in California this next
>>> weekend and will run through the end of the WC's in August with the drawing
>>> on Sept 15th.
>>>
>>> Prizes so far...
>>>
>>> 35% Ohio Model Products Extra 300 FULLY built and equiped!  DA100,
>>> Airtronics SD10 Radio, etc.
>>>
>>> 2M Osiris - Fully built and equiped (not sure about a radio yet, but
>>> working on it.
>>>
>>> 33% Pawnee Arf from Horizon
>>>
>>> 2M Vanquish RTF (has about 40 flights on it) minus Tx.
>>>
>>> And more coming.
>>>
>>> The "Online" part of the raffle is tricky.  There are 50 states each
>>> with their own laws regarding online raffles.  Moreover, PayPal prohibits
>>> them with their service, so taking payments is more challenging.   We're
>>> working on it though.
>>>
>>> If you're out on the west coast and plan to attend the AMA show, PLEASE
>>> stop by the NSRCA booth and pick up some tickets as well as a team t-shirt
>>> or Polo.
>>>
>>> -M
>>> Mark Atwood
>>> Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President
>>> 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124
>>> Phone: 440.684.3101 x102  |  Direct: 440-229-2502
>>> Fax: 440.684.3102
>>> mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com<mailto:mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com>  |
>>> www.paragon-inc.com<http://www.paragon-inc.com/>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 5, 2013, at 4:50 PM, Joe Lachowski wrote:
>>>
>>> I already forwarded this idea to Mark, but take a look  at how our F3J
>>> Team raised its money for the Worlds in South Africa in 2012. They
>>> basically had an on-line Mega Raffle. They also had to support a full
>>> Junior team, as well.
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: rcpilot at wowway.com<mailto:rcpilot at wowway.com>
>>> To: ldiamond at diamondrc.com<mailto:ldiamond at diamondrc.com>;
>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> >
>>> Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 07:00:20 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Team Fund raising Clinics!!!
>>>
>>> I like Larry’s idea but if some riches want to occupy all or most of the
>>> trainers time or want more one on one I’m sure Mark and the gang could
>>> accommodate such a situation if the team was going to make a reasonable
>>> profit.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:
>>> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> [mailto:
>>> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Larry Diamond
>>> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 5:53 PM
>>> To: General pattern discussion
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Team Fund raising Clinics!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My initial reaction is that $1,000 per pilot will most likely eliminate
>>> most of those that really need training and assistance, meaning lower
>>> classman. Lower classman are struggling with $$$ already.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The possible win-win-win is to make it worth the Instructor Time and a
>>> value to the trainee time with the additional intent of a tool to help grow
>>> pattern.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dealing with the math and understanding the one on one time, I would
>>> propose this. Similar to full scall flight training:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ground School (Class Room) - Minimum 10 people (Trainees can travel to a
>>> selected location) - $125 per Pilot
>>> Flight Training - $25 per flight per person with their caller of choice
>>> (Instructor should not be calling)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Net would be a minum of $1,250, plus Flight training $$$.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It will require twice as many weekends, but I bet you get more takers
>>> and generate more funds for the team.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hell, I would even pay this if it was Mark as the trainer. But anybody
>>> flying Masters/FAI could be a trainer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Have a team pilot attend and sell autographed Team items/pictures and
>>> raffle tickets...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: "Atwood, Mark" <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com<mailto:
>>> atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>>
>>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:
>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
>>> Sent: Friday, January 4, 2013 3:43 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Team Fund raising Clinics!!!
>>>
>>> Also, would people be willing to travel "Contest distance" to attend?
>>>  I.e. reasonable half day drive and plan to stay overnight?
>>>
>>> Jon, I think with Andrew in Utah, a California stop is almost assured.
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark Atwood
>>> Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President
>>> 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124
>>> Phone: 440.684.3101 x102  |  Direct: 440-229-2502
>>> Fax: 440.684.3102
>>> mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com<mailto:mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com><mailto:
>>> mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com<mailto:mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com>>  |
>>> www.paragon-inc.com<http://www.paragon-inc.com/>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 4, 2013, at 4:38 PM, Jon Bruml wrote:
>>>
>>> 1k per person sounds dear
>>> how about 1k for up to 2 or maybe 750 for the two days per person with a
>>> minimum of 4 people in attendance(to make the visit worthwhile mixing
>>> some
>>> individual as well as group training)
>>> I would be in if they make a visit to our area
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:
>>> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org><mailto:
>>> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:
>>> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>>
>>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:
>>> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>] On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark
>>> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 1:21 PM
>>> To: NSRCA General
>>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Team Fund raising Clinics!!!
>>>
>>> Hey All,
>>>
>>> One of the idea's we (Team USA) have been kicking around as a possible
>>> fund
>>> raiser is to pimp out the team's time and expertise in the form of some
>>> personal flying clinics.
>>>
>>> The idea would be for one of the team members to spend a FULL weekend
>>> with
>>> no more than 2-4 pilots and provide a lot of specific coaching and help
>>> on
>>> whatever topics they need help with.  We envision spending time on
>>>
>>> Trimming & setup
>>> CG / Thrust alignment / Incidence
>>> Throw rates, snap setups, expo, mixing
>>> Fundamentals
>>> Positioning
>>> Wind Corrections
>>> Rolling / looping / good lines
>>>
>>> Integrated maneuvers
>>> Overall presentation
>>> Complex manuevers (Rollers, etc)
>>> Even 3D stuff if interested.
>>>
>>> The thought would be to cater the days to whatever level the interested
>>> pilot wants.  Expectation would be to get 8-10 flights per person per day
>>> (or more).  I.e. A LOT OF FLYING.
>>>
>>> Cost, well, we're going to lob out $1000 per person.  Again, this
>>> intended
>>> to be a fund raiser for the team in addition to providing value to the
>>> purchaser.
>>>
>>> If there is interest - we need to start lining up interested people and
>>> then
>>> finding suitable locations to meet.  We have team members in FL, VA and
>>> UT
>>> so a lot of the country is covered.  With enough interest we can do this
>>> almost anywhere.
>>>
>>> Give me an idea of interest level, and if not for $1000... how much would
>>> you be willing to pay for two full days of coaching from one of these
>>> guys.
>>> Reach out to me on list or off.
>>>
>>> -Mark
>>> Mark Atwood
>>> Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President
>>> 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124
>>> Phone: 440.684.3101 x102  |  Direct: 440-229-2502
>>> Fax: 440.684.3102
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>>> mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com<mailto:mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com>>  |
>>> www.paragon-inc.com<http://www.paragon-inc.com/>
>>>
>>>
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