[NSRCA-discussion] Team Fund raising Clinics!!!

[Peter Vogel]

I was merely explaining the process that has been used in the past due to
Paypal's raffle preventions.  It's up to Mark & the NSRCA what they are
willing to do, I'm not aware of any other way to do an online raffle and I
work in the business (I work for Intuit) -- I believe our Intuit Payment
Network service has the same restrictions as paypal.  I could use my
GoPayment account (if needed) to collect funds via credit card, but I would
have no secure way to receive the credit card #'s online.  I would then
make a lump payment of the amount in my GoPayment account to the team.

Peter+


On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Keith Hoard <khoard at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ummm, OK.  Until someone thinks they got cheated and complains to PayPal.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 5, 2013, at 17:33, Peter Vogel <vogel.peter at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> An Austin-based club often does raffles online using Paypal, I'll leave it
> to y'all to judge the ethics of it, I personally feel that Paypal's rules
> are overly restrictive based on an interpretation of what the government
> means by "gambling" when they prohibit online gambling. Here's how it works
> -- everything on the paypal side is set up as a donation, but there is a
> side understanding that for donation of $X you will get Y tickets where Y
> increases faster than X, but not exponentially.  When you make the
> donation, you get a range of numbers e-mailed to you as a "thank you for
> your donation", those are the numbers of the tickets that were assigned to
> you.  Obviously, you need not be present at the drawing to win.  I've not
> won, but I do know of some people far from Austin who donated online and
> actually won a big AJ Slick that was then shipped to them at club expense.
>
> Peter+
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Atwood, Mark <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>wrote:
>
>> We have actually been taking direct cues from the F3J team.  Even the new
>> website follows their URL format (and we're hoping will be the format for
>> all the FAI team.   www.TeamUSAF3A.com<http://www.TeamUSAF3A.com>
>>
>> Our raffle will be kicking off at the AMA Expo in California this next
>> weekend and will run through the end of the WC's in August with the drawing
>> on Sept 15th.
>>
>> Prizes so far...
>>
>> 35% Ohio Model Products Extra 300 FULLY built and equiped!  DA100,
>> Airtronics SD10 Radio, etc.
>>
>> 2M Osiris - Fully built and equiped (not sure about a radio yet, but
>> working on it.
>>
>> 33% Pawnee Arf from Horizon
>>
>> 2M Vanquish RTF (has about 40 flights on it) minus Tx.
>>
>> And more coming.
>>
>> The "Online" part of the raffle is tricky.  There are 50 states each with
>> their own laws regarding online raffles.  Moreover, PayPal prohibits them
>> with their service, so taking payments is more challenging.   We're working
>> on it though.
>>
>> If you're out on the west coast and plan to attend the AMA show, PLEASE
>> stop by the NSRCA booth and pick up some tickets as well as a team t-shirt
>> or Polo.
>>
>> -M
>> Mark Atwood
>> Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President
>> 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124
>> Phone: 440.684.3101 x102  |  Direct: 440-229-2502
>> Fax: 440.684.3102
>> mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com<mailto:mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com>  |
>> www.paragon-inc.com<http://www.paragon-inc.com/>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 5, 2013, at 4:50 PM, Joe Lachowski wrote:
>>
>> I already forwarded this idea to Mark, but take a look  at how our F3J
>> Team raised its money for the Worlds in South Africa in 2012. They
>> basically had an on-line Mega Raffle. They also had to support a full
>> Junior team, as well.
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: rcpilot at wowway.com<mailto:rcpilot at wowway.com>
>> To: ldiamond at diamondrc.com<mailto:ldiamond at diamondrc.com>;
>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 07:00:20 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Team Fund raising Clinics!!!
>>
>> I like Larry’s idea but if some riches want to occupy all or most of the
>> trainers time or want more one on one I’m sure Mark and the gang could
>> accommodate such a situation if the team was going to make a reasonable
>> profit.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:
>> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> [mailto:
>> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Larry Diamond
>> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 5:53 PM
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Team Fund raising Clinics!!!
>>
>>
>>
>> My initial reaction is that $1,000 per pilot will most likely eliminate
>> most of those that really need training and assistance, meaning lower
>> classman. Lower classman are struggling with $$$ already.
>>
>>
>>
>> The possible win-win-win is to make it worth the Instructor Time and a
>> value to the trainee time with the additional intent of a tool to help grow
>> pattern.
>>
>>
>>
>> Dealing with the math and understanding the one on one time, I would
>> propose this. Similar to full scall flight training:
>>
>>
>>
>> Ground School (Class Room) - Minimum 10 people (Trainees can travel to a
>> selected location) - $125 per Pilot
>> Flight Training - $25 per flight per person with their caller of choice
>> (Instructor should not be calling)
>>
>>
>>
>> Net would be a minum of $1,250, plus Flight training $$$.
>>
>>
>>
>> It will require twice as many weekends, but I bet you get more takers and
>> generate more funds for the team.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hell, I would even pay this if it was Mark as the trainer. But anybody
>> flying Masters/FAI could be a trainer.
>>
>>
>>
>> Have a team pilot attend and sell autographed Team items/pictures and
>> raffle tickets...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: "Atwood, Mark" <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com<mailto:
>> atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>>
>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:
>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
>> Sent: Friday, January 4, 2013 3:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Team Fund raising Clinics!!!
>>
>> Also, would people be willing to travel "Contest distance" to attend?
>>  I.e. reasonable half day drive and plan to stay overnight?
>>
>> Jon, I think with Andrew in Utah, a California stop is almost assured.
>>
>>
>> Mark Atwood
>> Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President
>> 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124
>> Phone: 440.684.3101 x102  |  Direct: 440-229-2502
>> Fax: 440.684.3102
>> mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com<mailto:mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com><mailto:
>> mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com<mailto:mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com>>  |
>> www.paragon-inc.com<http://www.paragon-inc.com/>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 4, 2013, at 4:38 PM, Jon Bruml wrote:
>>
>> 1k per person sounds dear
>> how about 1k for up to 2 or maybe 750 for the two days per person with a
>> minimum of 4 people in attendance(to make the visit worthwhile mixing some
>> individual as well as group training)
>> I would be in if they make a visit to our area
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:
>> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org><mailto:
>> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:
>> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>>
>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:
>> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>] On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark
>> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 1:21 PM
>> To: NSRCA General
>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Team Fund raising Clinics!!!
>>
>> Hey All,
>>
>> One of the idea's we (Team USA) have been kicking around as a possible
>> fund
>> raiser is to pimp out the team's time and expertise in the form of some
>> personal flying clinics.
>>
>> The idea would be for one of the team members to spend a FULL weekend with
>> no more than 2-4 pilots and provide a lot of specific coaching and help on
>> whatever topics they need help with.  We envision spending time on
>>
>> Trimming & setup
>> CG / Thrust alignment / Incidence
>> Throw rates, snap setups, expo, mixing
>> Fundamentals
>> Positioning
>> Wind Corrections
>> Rolling / looping / good lines
>>
>> Integrated maneuvers
>> Overall presentation
>> Complex manuevers (Rollers, etc)
>> Even 3D stuff if interested.
>>
>> The thought would be to cater the days to whatever level the interested
>> pilot wants.  Expectation would be to get 8-10 flights per person per day
>> (or more).  I.e. A LOT OF FLYING.
>>
>> Cost, well, we're going to lob out $1000 per person.  Again, this intended
>> to be a fund raiser for the team in addition to providing value to the
>> purchaser.
>>
>> If there is interest - we need to start lining up interested people and
>> then
>> finding suitable locations to meet.  We have team members in FL, VA and UT
>> so a lot of the country is covered.  With enough interest we can do this
>> almost anywhere.
>>
>> Give me an idea of interest level, and if not for $1000... how much would
>> you be willing to pay for two full days of coaching from one of these
>> guys.
>> Reach out to me on list or off.
>>
>> -Mark
>> Mark Atwood
>> Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President
>> 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124
>> Phone: 440.684.3101 x102  |  Direct: 440-229-2502
>> Fax: 440.684.3102
>> mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com<mailto:mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com><mailto:
>> mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com<mailto:mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com>>  |
>> www.paragon-inc.com<http://www.paragon-inc.com/>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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