[NSRCA-discussion] Article (series) suggestion for K-factor

Wed Jan 2 17:40:52 AKST 2013

I'd not read it before, but I'm kinda hooked now.  Aeromodeler (RCM&E in the UK) is the only other magazine that spends time on building and engineering (though they spend little time on CL or FF)

Peter+

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On Jan 2, 2013, at 6:30 PM, "Dave Lockhart" <DaveL322 at comcast.net> wrote:

> Jim H, John G, Peter V - Thanks!
> 
> I will certainly pass on the feedback to FM - I can assure the editor Frank
> Fanelli is very receptive to feedback.  I've actually previously asked about
> the possibility of an electronic compilation of sorts (disc, downloadable
> file, etc) as a sale item as I think it could stand on its own.  I will
> follow up.
> 
> A bit more (quite possibly a shameless plug) -
> Mar - Nov 2011 I wrote a 9 part series "Project Foamy" about how to build a
> world class foamy suitable for the highest levels of ETOC / F3P competition.
> "Project Pattern Redux" is a series I started in Mar 2012 and is ongoing.
> Mar/Apr were actually historical in nature detailing the evolution of
> pattern from the early 1980s (when the original Project Pattern was authored
> by Dean Pappas and Bob Hunt) to the present day, and in May 2012 I started
> the construction of a Europa Pro LT, which is quite representative of the
> modern day composite "ARF" pattern plane.  The most recent issue was
> December, and reviewed mounting options and construction of the firewall(s).
> The series will continue until every detail up to the test flight is
> described...I honestly don't know how many more columns that will take. 
> 
> http://www.flying-models.com/
> For those not familiar with Flying Models, I think it'd be accurate to say
> it is the last magazine that focuses on the building / modeling aspects of
> the hobby for all disciplines - RC, CL, FF.  The myriad of quicky reviews of
> the latest/greatest products are not found in Flying Models.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Dave
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Peter Vogel
> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 7:05 PM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Cc: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Article (series) suggestion for K-factor
> 
> The beauty of the internet is that if I know an article series exists I can
> buy back issues to read on my iPad (Dave, you can tell Flying Models that
> they gained a digital subscriber who just bought almost a year's worth of
> back issues because of you :-)
> 
> Peter+
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Jan 2, 2013, at 3:22 PM, John Gayer <jgghome at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
>> Peter,
>> 
>> I suggest since you are in the area you help apply some pressure on 
>> Don Atwood and Bruce Thompson to update their book on "Building a Pattern
> Plane". :-) Anything I can do to help, let me know directly by phone or
> email. That goes for both your build and the application of pressure.
>> 
>> Seriously, we are always looking for information that we can add to the
> website and such an article  would be an excellent addition. Most of the
> time build threads are more useful to experienced modelers looking for new
> approaches to problems they have already resolved. This is opposed to
> someone looking for a ground up build with full explanations of the solution
> used and alternatives available. Of course we would love to have articles on
> the NSRCA website for specific aircraft as well.
>> DaveL,
>> Is it possible to include some of the many building articles you have
> published? Including your latest which is great BTW. I don't know how that
> works out with Flying Models but we would certainly give credit. It seems a
> shame that articles such as yours are published once and then disappear.
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> Many of the questions you have relate are specific to the model you have
> sitting on your bench.
>> On 1/2/2013 11:56 AM, Peter Vogel wrote:
>>> Whoops!  Meant to send from gmail!
>>> 
>>> Peter+
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
>>>> So, I received my first composite plane for Christmas (A beautiful
> x-treme Composites Griffin) and, like Don Rumsfeld a lot of unknown unknowns
> are becoming known unknowns :-). Ordinarily I turn to articles on the web,
> build threads, etc. to learn what I need to learn, but I am shocked by the
> dearth of information on basic composite assembly information out there!
> I'm fortunate to have the brilliant and talented Jon Carter and Dale
> Olstinski nearby with Jon Bruml, Chris Fitzsimmons, Frank Capone and Don
> Atwood not that much farther away, but I doubt everyone is that lucky!
>>>> 
>>>> There's a good, but still detail-lacking (because he refers often to
> instructions on the specific plane) and somewhat dated article by Earl Haury
> off Don Ramsey's pattern page, but that, and some of the other building
> techniques there and on the Central Hobbies site are the best resources I've
> found, which is sad!
>>>> 
>>>> There is real room out there for a soup-to-nuts tutorial on building out
> a composite ARF, like a very detailed build thread that lets you into the
> builder's head:  WHY did you do what you did, what would you do differently
> if the motor were mounted the other way (if you use a nose-ring mount in
> your build, what would you do for a firewall mounted motor?  I think it's
> safe to say most newbies will be coming in with electrics) and so forth.
>>>> 
>>>> I'd call myself an intermediate balsa builder, having built several 
>>>> 40 size planes from Balsa kits about 20 years ago, and I've assembled
> we'll over 50 balsa ARF's in the past 4 years, but as I say, this is my
> first composite build. Also, as a matter of critique of the Griffin, at the
> price point ($1500) it's reasonable to expect that this would be a first
> composite for a lot of folks, that it comes with NO assembly manual is a bit
> of a shock.
>>>> 
>>>> Examples of areas where this newbie has had several 'hmm' moments 
>>>> (some of which Dale and Jon talked me through at the field the other 
>>>> day, some of which are new since)
>>>> 
>>>> I've got an advance and the F3AU mount for it, but the 'ears' of the
> nose ring (and the mounting holes) extend slightly beyond the edges of the
> front of the plane's existing nose ring, I know I need to put a ply spacer
> in back and the ears will fit within the composite shell at that point, but
> wouldn't we want the mounting screws for the nosering to go through all
> three layers of nosering structure to hold the whole sandwich together?
> Should I drill new mounting holes in the ring to allow that and shave a gram
> or two of weight by cutting the ears off the F3AU nose ring mount?
>>>> 
>>>> Should I reinforce the installation of the Aeroply spacer with
> fiberglass?  How is that done?
>>>> 
>>>> What's the best procedure for ensuring that the spinner is centered in
> the nose when everything is mounted?
>>>> 
>>>> what's the best way to mount the stab incidence adjusters in the stab
> and then line up the holes to access the set screws?
>>>> 
>>>> How do you determine where to put the pull-pull cable exits?  How do you
> decide whether to cross the cables or not?
>>>> 
>>>> The recommendation of BVM aeropoxy/hydrosol epoxy instead of typical
> 5/30/60 minute epoxy off the hobby shop shelf.
>>>> 
>>>> Control rod selection, sizing and sourcing. 4-40/2-56/3mm/2.5mm/2mm
> what's the right size for what?  What parts are compatible with what (I.e.
> clevises for BB control horns of various sizes (this is really something
> F3AU & Central Hobbies sites could do better with) 4-40 titanium turnbuckle
> rods are relatively easy to find, but where does one find metric sized or
> 2-56?  Why or why not titanium rod ends with Carbon rods?
>>>> 
>>>> Just a few examples to get the writer juices flowing in an expert
> builder -- if an expert builder near Santa Clara wants a composite newbie
> ghost writer/photographer (I've written several technical books and done
> some photography that has made it into textbooks) I'm game!
>>>> 
>>>> Peter+
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone5
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