[NSRCA-discussion] Team Selection - was 2013 NATS dates

Wed Feb 27 13:41:14 AKST 2013

I'll sponsor up to 5 guys from D7 who would like to compete at the team
trials but don't want to pay the full entry fee...

Peter+

On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Scott McHarg <scmcharg at gmail.com> wrote:

> The problem is, however, $30 from 30 contestants is still only $900 vs.
> $170 from 10.  Your idea warrants some research though.  Local contests
> stepping up to help is another interesting path to look into.
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Chuck Hochhalter <cahochhalter at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>>
>> We could add 5 bucks to every local contest entry and donate that to FAI.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 27, 2013, at 4:25 PM, Archie Stafford <astafford at md.metrocast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Mark,
>> >
>> > Another option is to adjust the entry fee for all classes. Maybe 25.00
>> per and all of that goes to the team. Would be easy enough to do.
>> >
>> > Arch
>> >
>> >
>> > Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S™ III, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>> >
>> >
>> > -------- Original message --------
>> > From: "Atwood, Mark" <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
>> > Date:
>> > To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Team Selection - was 2013 NATS dates
>> >
>> >
>> > As a side to that…
>> >
>> > We need to have a serious discussion about the team selection and our
>> "Official" participation levels.  FAI GUYS!!!!  We NEED many more of you to
>> sign up for the team selection event (be it part of the Nats or otherwise
>> in 2014) if we're going to continue to get the same level of funding that
>> we get now from the AMA.   To do that, I think we need to drastically lower
>> the price tag.  The price tag ($170) is reminiscent of holding a separate
>> event and paying for the judges to come for 4 days and judge.   That's no
>> longer an expense burden that the selection contest bears.
>> >
>> > The AMA has made "participation" a critical point factor in determining
>> the level of financial support that each team receives.   We don't get a
>> lot of money, but they do pay for the World Championship entry fees ($900
>> /pilot, $500 /team manager, $150 /caller ) which is a lot, and they help
>> with some of the hotel bill.  It's a fraction of what we need, but it's
>> still a big help.  For this year's WC's it's about $7800 of the $60K we'll
>> need.  But if we don't increase our participation, we'll lose it.
>> >
>> > This past Nats we had 30+ FAI flyers… but less than 10 participated in
>> the team trial….meaning they paid the entry fee.  Admittedly, I was one who
>> did not.  I finished 11th, but that's a far cry from top 3, so spending
>> $170 "Just to participate" didn't seem like a good value proposition.  But
>> if we can lower the cost to say $30, or something reasonable, then I would
>> participate simply to support the team (that's where the entry fee money
>> goes by the way…all of it) especially knowing that it will motivate the AMA
>> to continue their funding.
>> >
>> > I'll hammer this home more next year when it's more relevant, but
>> thought I'd chime in now :)
>> >
>> > Please feel free to return to your regularly scheduled conversation.
>> >
>> >
>> > Mark Atwood
>> > Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President
>> > 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124
>> > Phone: 440.684.3101 x102  |  Direct: 440-229-2502
>> > Fax: 440.684.3102
>> > mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com<mailto:mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com>  |
>> www.paragon-inc.com<http://www.paragon-inc.com/>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Feb 27, 2013, at 4:20 PM, Budd Engineering <
>> jerry at buddengineering.com<mailto:jerry at buddengineering.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Or a LOT easier because it's gotten so small.  It's occurred to some of
>> us over the past several years that you could hold the US Team Trials at a
>> good local field and still have an as good, if not better, team selection
>> contest as we do now.
>> >
>> > Incidentally, when I mentioned this to a couple of the AMA people at
>> the show in Ontario last month it was made quite clear that the "powers
>> that be" in AMA have absolutely no interest in allowing the Team Selection
>> contest to ever be held anywhere but at the AMA site in Muncie.  Go Figure.
>> >
>> > -0
>> >
>> > Jerry
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > On Feb 27, 2013, at 10:59 AM, "Dave Burton" <burtona at atmc.net<mailto:
>> burtona at atmc.net>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Amen +2
>> >
>> > As pattern participation continues to shrink the possibility of having
>> the resources to hold the Nats at a different venue gets even more
>> difficult.
>> > Dave
>> >
>> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:
>> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> [mailto:
>> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Fuqua
>> > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:54 AM
>> > To: 'General pattern discussion'
>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates
>> >
>> > AMEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> >
>> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:
>> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> [mailto:
>> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Vicente "Vince"
>> Bortone
>> > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 9:43 AM
>> > To: General pattern discussion
>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates
>> >
>> > +1
>> > Vicente "Vince" Bortone
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: "mike mueller" <mups1953 at yahoo.com<mailto:mups1953 at yahoo.com>>
>> > To: "Archie Stafford" <astafford at md.metrocast.net<mailto:
>> astafford at md.metrocast.net>>, "General pattern discussion" <
>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> >>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 9:36:31 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates
>> > OK I want to play devil's advocate.
>> > What is all this talk about an off site Nats about?
>> > Is it that we need to move it around to allow new people to
>> participate? Or is it the changes to the schedule that basically takes away
>> a half day of practice?
>> > In my opinion it's not that big of a deal. Moving the Nats off site
>> would be a huge endeavor. Who has the resources, energy and financial where
>> with all to achieve this?
>> > I doubt that we could pull it off. Unless a lot of effort was put forth
>> to make it happen.
>> > I think the AMA has supported us in a decent manner.
>> > Also look at the current BOD of the AMA and you'll see that pattern is
>> well represented with more than our share. We also have Muncie employess
>> who are pattern fliers. We have friends in high places and I think we're
>> doing pretty well.
>> > I'm luck enough to go to the Muncie facility for 3 contests every year.
>> I'm amazed at the support we get from the AMA staff every time we go there.
>> > Things could be a lot worse. Thanks, Mike Mueller
>> >
>> > --- On Mon, 2/25/13, Archie Stafford <astafford at md.metrocast.net
>> <mailto:astafford at md.metrocast.net>> wrote:
>> >
>> > From: Archie Stafford <astafford at md.metrocast.net<mailto:
>> astafford at md.metrocast.net>>
>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates
>> > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:
>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> > Date: Monday, February 25, 2013, 8:44 PM
>> > IMAC has been warned. They already lost one day from a few years ago.
>> >
>> > Also, years ago I would've agreed. Today though the AMA has a lot more
>> park flyers and sport flyers than any other discipline . Most of my club,
>>  with 86 members now flies smaller electrics. Many of the younger kids
>> would rather fly foamies than anything. Pattern, IMAC, and scale don't do
>> anything for them. The younger members are just different. 3D and helis are
>> much more exciting to them. Times have changed.
>> >
>> > Arch
>> >
>> >
>> > Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S™ III, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>> >
>> >
>> > -------- Original message --------
>> > From: Ron Hansen <rcpilot at wowway.com<mailto:rcpilot at wowway.com>>
>> > Date:
>> > To: vicenterc at comcast.net,'General<mailto:vicenterc at comcast.net,'General>
>> pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:
>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates
>> >
>> > What about IMAC they have less attendance at the NATS than us.  With
>> their attendance I’m surprised the AMA will even give them a week.  Not
>> that I’m suggesting they don’t deserve a week.  One of the issues I have
>> with the NATS is that Intermediate and Advanced Pilots and those in MASTERS
>> and FAI that don’t make the cut don’t get any more flights than a regular
>> weekend contest.  Perhaps more would attend if we offered every pilot 12
>> guaranteed flights.  That would make it more likely that the west coasters
>> would make the long trip to Muncie.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > No one gets hooked on RC by watching someone fly a park flyer.  You get
>> hooked by watching someone go crazy with a heli or an IMAC plane or the
>> graceful flying of a pattern plane or the speed/wow factor of a jet or the
>> roar of a 4 engine B-17.  These are all endeavors that are not associated
>> with the typical AMA member.  If the AMA thinks they can survive without
>> these folks then let them try.  What these groups need to do is stop
>> supporting the AMA with their articles, photos, etc.  They’ll have nothing
>> to draw the attention of new members.  AMA membership will never be what it
>> used to be because kids now a day are so much busier than they used to be
>> and there are so many more thinks competing for their interest.  We need to
>> find a financially viable solution for both the NSRCA and the AMA not to
>> mention all the other SIGS. Without the SIGS there would be no AMA.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:
>> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> [mailto:
>> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
>> vicenterc at comcast.net<mailto:vicenterc at comcast.net>
>> > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 6:20 PM
>> > To: General pattern discussion
>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Guys it is too early in the week to talk about good drinks.  I got to
>> work tomorrow.
>> > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Ronald Van Putte <vanputter at gmail.com<
>> http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vanputter@gmail.com>>
>> > Sender: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<
>> http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
>> >
>> > Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 16:57:02
>> > To: General pattern discussion<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<
>> http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
>> >>
>> > Reply-To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<
>> http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
>> >>
>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates
>> >
>> > For those who weren't there, we had several buses take us from the
>> Tullahoma airport about 12 miles to the Jack Daniels' distillery for the
>> "picnic".  On the way back, there was a terrible thunderstorm.  When I
>> mentioned the storm to some attendee the next day, they said, "What
>> thunderstorm?"
>> >
>> > BTW, what did they call that stuff they served?  Was it Lynchburg
>> Lemonade?  It tasted wonderful and went down so smooth!
>> >
>> > Ron
>> >
>> > On Feb 25, 2013, at 4:48 PM, John Fuqua wrote:
>> >
>> > > At least that part you remember
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<
>> http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
>> >
>> > > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<
>> http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org>]
>> On Behalf Of Ronald Van
>> > > Putte
>> > > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:47 PM
>> > > To: General pattern discussion
>> > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates
>> > >
>> > > The bus ride back from the Jack Daniel's distillery was memorable!
>> > >
>> > > Ron
>> > >
>> > > On Feb 25, 2013, at 4:12 PM, Atwood, Mark wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Scott,  I think Ron is correct on this one (biting my tongue as I
>> voice
>> > > that!)   Back then the NSRCA had no input what so ever.  Obviously
>> enough
>> > > was wrong with the way the AMA ran the event to create a complete
>> boycott of
>> > > the nationals in lieu of the NPAC.
>> > >>
>> > >> Peter, has the nats every
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