[NSRCA-discussion] Team Selection - was 2013 NATS dates

Wed Feb 27 13:38:09 AKST 2013

The problem is, however, $30 from 30 contestants is still only $900 vs.
$170 from 10.  Your idea warrants some research though.  Local contests
stepping up to help is another interesting path to look into.

On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Chuck Hochhalter <cahochhalter at yahoo.com>wrote:

>
> We could add 5 bucks to every local contest entry and donate that to FAI.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 27, 2013, at 4:25 PM, Archie Stafford <astafford at md.metrocast.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Mark,
> >
> > Another option is to adjust the entry fee for all classes. Maybe 25.00
> per and all of that goes to the team. Would be easy enough to do.
> >
> > Arch
> >
> >
> > Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S™ III, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
> >
> >
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: "Atwood, Mark" <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
> > Date:
> > To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Team Selection - was 2013 NATS dates
> >
> >
> > As a side to that…
> >
> > We need to have a serious discussion about the team selection and our
> "Official" participation levels.  FAI GUYS!!!!  We NEED many more of you to
> sign up for the team selection event (be it part of the Nats or otherwise
> in 2014) if we're going to continue to get the same level of funding that
> we get now from the AMA.   To do that, I think we need to drastically lower
> the price tag.  The price tag ($170) is reminiscent of holding a separate
> event and paying for the judges to come for 4 days and judge.   That's no
> longer an expense burden that the selection contest bears.
> >
> > The AMA has made "participation" a critical point factor in determining
> the level of financial support that each team receives.   We don't get a
> lot of money, but they do pay for the World Championship entry fees ($900
> /pilot, $500 /team manager, $150 /caller ) which is a lot, and they help
> with some of the hotel bill.  It's a fraction of what we need, but it's
> still a big help.  For this year's WC's it's about $7800 of the $60K we'll
> need.  But if we don't increase our participation, we'll lose it.
> >
> > This past Nats we had 30+ FAI flyers… but less than 10 participated in
> the team trial….meaning they paid the entry fee.  Admittedly, I was one who
> did not.  I finished 11th, but that's a far cry from top 3, so spending
> $170 "Just to participate" didn't seem like a good value proposition.  But
> if we can lower the cost to say $30, or something reasonable, then I would
> participate simply to support the team (that's where the entry fee money
> goes by the way…all of it) especially knowing that it will motivate the AMA
> to continue their funding.
> >
> > I'll hammer this home more next year when it's more relevant, but
> thought I'd chime in now :)
> >
> > Please feel free to return to your regularly scheduled conversation.
> >
> >
> > Mark Atwood
> > Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President
> > 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124
> > Phone: 440.684.3101 x102  |  Direct: 440-229-2502
> > Fax: 440.684.3102
> > mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com<mailto:mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com>  |
> www.paragon-inc.com<http://www.paragon-inc.com/>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Feb 27, 2013, at 4:20 PM, Budd Engineering <jerry at buddengineering.com
> <mailto:jerry at buddengineering.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Or a LOT easier because it's gotten so small.  It's occurred to some of
> us over the past several years that you could hold the US Team Trials at a
> good local field and still have an as good, if not better, team selection
> contest as we do now.
> >
> > Incidentally, when I mentioned this to a couple of the AMA people at the
> show in Ontario last month it was made quite clear that the "powers that
> be" in AMA have absolutely no interest in allowing the Team Selection
> contest to ever be held anywhere but at the AMA site in Muncie.  Go Figure.
> >
> > -0
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Feb 27, 2013, at 10:59 AM, "Dave Burton" <burtona at atmc.net<mailto:
> burtona at atmc.net>> wrote:
> >
> > Amen +2
> >
> > As pattern participation continues to shrink the possibility of having
> the resources to hold the Nats at a different venue gets even more
> difficult.
> > Dave
> >
> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:
> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> [mailto:
> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Fuqua
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:54 AM
> > To: 'General pattern discussion'
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates
> >
> > AMEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:
> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> [mailto:
> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Vicente "Vince"
> Bortone
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 9:43 AM
> > To: General pattern discussion
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates
> >
> > +1
> > Vicente "Vince" Bortone
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: "mike mueller" <mups1953 at yahoo.com<mailto:mups1953 at yahoo.com>>
> > To: "Archie Stafford" <astafford at md.metrocast.net<mailto:
> astafford at md.metrocast.net>>, "General pattern discussion" <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 9:36:31 AM
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates
> > OK I want to play devil's advocate.
> > What is all this talk about an off site Nats about?
> > Is it that we need to move it around to allow new people to participate?
> Or is it the changes to the schedule that basically takes away a half day
> of practice?
> > In my opinion it's not that big of a deal. Moving the Nats off site
> would be a huge endeavor. Who has the resources, energy and financial where
> with all to achieve this?
> > I doubt that we could pull it off. Unless a lot of effort was put forth
> to make it happen.
> > I think the AMA has supported us in a decent manner.
> > Also look at the current BOD of the AMA and you'll see that pattern is
> well represented with more than our share. We also have Muncie employess
> who are pattern fliers. We have friends in high places and I think we're
> doing pretty well.
> > I'm luck enough to go to the Muncie facility for 3 contests every year.
> I'm amazed at the support we get from the AMA staff every time we go there.
> > Things could be a lot worse. Thanks, Mike Mueller
> >
> > --- On Mon, 2/25/13, Archie Stafford <astafford at md.metrocast.net<mailto:
> astafford at md.metrocast.net>> wrote:
> >
> > From: Archie Stafford <astafford at md.metrocast.net<mailto:
> astafford at md.metrocast.net>>
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates
> > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > Date: Monday, February 25, 2013, 8:44 PM
> > IMAC has been warned. They already lost one day from a few years ago.
> >
> > Also, years ago I would've agreed. Today though the AMA has a lot more
> park flyers and sport flyers than any other discipline . Most of my club,
>  with 86 members now flies smaller electrics. Many of the younger kids
> would rather fly foamies than anything. Pattern, IMAC, and scale don't do
> anything for them. The younger members are just different. 3D and helis are
> much more exciting to them. Times have changed.
> >
> > Arch
> >
> >
> > Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S™ III, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
> >
> >
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: Ron Hansen <rcpilot at wowway.com<mailto:rcpilot at wowway.com>>
> > Date:
> > To: vicenterc at comcast.net,'General<mailto:vicenterc at comcast.net,'General>
> pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates
> >
> > What about IMAC they have less attendance at the NATS than us.  With
> their attendance I’m surprised the AMA will even give them a week.  Not
> that I’m suggesting they don’t deserve a week.  One of the issues I have
> with the NATS is that Intermediate and Advanced Pilots and those in MASTERS
> and FAI that don’t make the cut don’t get any more flights than a regular
> weekend contest.  Perhaps more would attend if we offered every pilot 12
> guaranteed flights.  That would make it more likely that the west coasters
> would make the long trip to Muncie.
> >
> >
> >
> > No one gets hooked on RC by watching someone fly a park flyer.  You get
> hooked by watching someone go crazy with a heli or an IMAC plane or the
> graceful flying of a pattern plane or the speed/wow factor of a jet or the
> roar of a 4 engine B-17.  These are all endeavors that are not associated
> with the typical AMA member.  If the AMA thinks they can survive without
> these folks then let them try.  What these groups need to do is stop
> supporting the AMA with their articles, photos, etc.  They’ll have nothing
> to draw the attention of new members.  AMA membership will never be what it
> used to be because kids now a day are so much busier than they used to be
> and there are so many more thinks competing for their interest.  We need to
> find a financially viable solution for both the NSRCA and the AMA not to
> mention all the other SIGS. Without the SIGS there would be no AMA.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:
> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> [mailto:
> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
> vicenterc at comcast.net<mailto:vicenterc at comcast.net>
> > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 6:20 PM
> > To: General pattern discussion
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates
> >
> >
> >
> > Guys it is too early in the week to talk about good drinks.  I got to
> work tomorrow.
> > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ronald Van Putte <vanputter at gmail.com<
> http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vanputter@gmail.com>>
> > Sender: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<
> http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
> >
> > Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 16:57:02
> > To: General pattern discussion<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<
> http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
> >>
> > Reply-To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<
> http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
> >>
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates
> >
> > For those who weren't there, we had several buses take us from the
> Tullahoma airport about 12 miles to the Jack Daniels' distillery for the
> "picnic".  On the way back, there was a terrible thunderstorm.  When I
> mentioned the storm to some attendee the next day, they said, "What
> thunderstorm?"
> >
> > BTW, what did they call that stuff they served?  Was it Lynchburg
> Lemonade?  It tasted wonderful and went down so smooth!
> >
> > Ron
> >
> > On Feb 25, 2013, at 4:48 PM, John Fuqua wrote:
> >
> > > At least that part you remember
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<
> http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
> >
> > > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<
> http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org>]
> On Behalf Of Ronald Van
> > > Putte
> > > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:47 PM
> > > To: General pattern discussion
> > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates
> > >
> > > The bus ride back from the Jack Daniel's distillery was memorable!
> > >
> > > Ron
> > >
> > > On Feb 25, 2013, at 4:12 PM, Atwood, Mark wrote:
> > >
> > >> Scott,  I think Ron is correct on this one (biting my tongue as I
> voice
> > > that!)   Back then the NSRCA had no input what so ever.  Obviously
> enough
> > > was wrong with the way the AMA ran the event to create a complete
> boycott of
> > > the nationals in lieu of the NPAC.
> > >>
> > >> Peter, has the nats every
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