[NSRCA-discussion] Real Flight simulator questions

Fri Nov 23 10:14:12 AKST 2012

Work....what's that? You up for flying Sunday?

On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Bill carder <bc3662 at aol.com> wrote:

> Do you ever work?
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
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> From: "Patrick Harris" <harris7148 at gmail.com>
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Real Flight simulator questions
> Date: Fri, Nov 23, 2012 9:13 am
>
>
> Well, we are all learning together. I moved the cg forward even more to
> Y=1.5 and like it. The snaps are definitely faster and cleaner for sure.
>
> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 1:22 PM, kingconsulting <k. ingconsulting at mac.com<ker.ingconsulting at mac.com>
> > wrote:
>
>> Thanks for that. At first I thought it was a little hot but got used to
>> it pretty quick.
>>
>> Quite a few options on their sim.
>>
>> Robert King
>>
>> On Nov 22, 2012, at 8:58 AM, Patrick Harris <harris7148 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Robert,
>>
>> Go to the "Physics" box and click "Custom" and then "Unlimited Fuel".
>>
>> You may find the Evo to be a little too hot (fast). If you do, change the
>> number of "batteries in parallel" to a lower number.
>>
>> By adding battery and fuselage weight, the down lines are a lot better. I
>> learned something in the process as well.
>>
>> Pat
>>
>> Dist. 8
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 5:45 AM, kingconsulting <kingconsulting at mac.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Pat. This is a great starting point to customize to my flying
>>> style. Speed is much more realistic. I thought the original was a little
>>> too slow but wasn't sure.
>>>
>>>  I'm only getting about a minute of flight time before the battery runs
>>> out. I know I edited the fuel amount on gas planes before but don't see how
>>> it can be done on electric?
>>>
>>> Again thanks for posting that.
>>>
>>> Robert King
>>>
>>> On Nov 21, 2012, at 8:58 PM, Patrick Harris <harris7148 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> OK guys. Here you go with the Spark modifications. Keep in mind, this is
>>> for RF 6.0 (6.5). If you run a lower version, you will most likely have to
>>> adjust the rates and expo only.
>>>
>>> Go to: Aircraft
>>> Click on: Edit Krill Spark Evo
>>> Click on Airframe
>>> Click: Fuselage
>>> Make "Weight"=20oz
>>> Just above "Fuselage", click "Main Battery".
>>> When you click on the battery type a small box will pop up on the right
>>> side
>>> Click on the little box and find "Lipoly 4400 65C" and click on it and
>>> click OK
>>> Now next to "No of cells in parallel"= 1
>>> Next to "No of cells in series"= 10
>>> Click "fuselage" again
>>> Click: Engine
>>> Propeller type should be APC Electric
>>> Change prop to 21 diameter and pitch to 13
>>>
>>> To change CG:
>>> Click on Airframe
>>> Y= .5
>>> To move CG forward, increase number, to move back, reduce number
>>>
>>> To keep the chin cowl and canopy from flying off if you hit the wrong
>>> switch:
>>>
>>> Go to "Electronics
>>> Click both "Chin hatch servo" and Canopy detach servo"
>>> "Input for this servo should be" <no servo>
>>>
>>> Now you need to set throws and expo.
>>>
>>> Click "Software Radio"
>>> Click each of the next channels
>>>
>>> Output channel 1(aileron)
>>> Low rate %=55
>>> Expo During Low Rates %= 20
>>> Expo During High Rates %= 38
>>>
>>> Output channel 2(elevator)
>>> Low rate %=70
>>> Expo During Low Rates %= 28
>>> Expo During High Rates %= 40
>>>
>>> Output channel 4(Rudder)
>>> Low rate %= 100
>>> Expo During Low Rates %= 80
>>> Expo During High Rates %= 40
>>>
>>> Output channel 5(aileron)
>>> Low rate %=55
>>> Expo During Low Rates %= 20
>>> Expo During High Rates %= 38
>>>
>>> This will get you in the ballpark. It's your plane so adjust it to your
>>> liking.
>>>
>>> If you don't own Real Flight. Do yourself a favor and put it on your
>>> Christmas list.
>>>
>>> Anything else, let me know.
>>>
>>> Pat
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Patrick Harris <harris7148 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Vince,
>>>>
>>>> I haven't spent time looking at how to add weight. My guess is you
>>>> would have to do it with components. As I mentioned, I changed the battery
>>>> in the Spark. One thing you could do is change to a much heavier battery.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know if a field with the box defined is available. but it's
>>>> possible to edit an existing field to get a workaround. What you can do is
>>>> go to "Edit field" and add something like a tree at the edges of the box. I
>>>> think I tried to do this a year or so ago, but for some reason, didn't
>>>> follow through.
>>>>
>>>> Pat
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Vicente "Vince" Bortone <
>>>> vicenterc at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Pat.  Check below in *bold.
>>>>>
>>>>> *
>>>>> Vicente "Vince" Bortone
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> *From: *"Patrick Harris" <harris7148 at gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> *To: *"General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, November 21, 2012 12:25:20 PM
>>>>>
>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Real Flight simulator questions
>>>>>
>>>>> A few weeks ago I upgraded from 5.0 to 6.0 and found I needed to make
>>>>> some adjustments. First off, I have flown every pattern plane in the “swap
>>>>> files” and can say (in my opinion), the Spark Evo is by far the best, but
>>>>> it didn’t do it right out of the box, so to say. Again, in my opinion, the
>>>>> Osiris in the swap files is way off. You can tweak on it a bunch and it
>>>>> still isn’t right.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, for you guys that are having problems loading the Spark. When you
>>>>> go to the “Swap files” you will find the “Black” Evo. This is the one you
>>>>> want to download first. All of the others are just “color variations” and
>>>>> will not work without the Black loaded first.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Question….If your buddy handed you his transmitter and said go fly my
>>>>> plane, you most likely would want to make adjustments to get it to your
>>>>> liking. The same thing is true with a simulator plane. When I was running
>>>>> 5.0 I found I needed to make just a few tweaks to the Evo, but needed some
>>>>> pretty radical adjustments in 6.0. The Swap files now have an Evo that is
>>>>> supposed to be set up for 6.0, but I didn’t find it to be the case. Also, a
>>>>> “contra prop” version is available now. In my case, I find the original
>>>>> Black to be the best with adjustments.* I agree.  *
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, “down line “speed. How would you change it on a real plane? If
>>>>> it’s electric we can change the braking, but that is not available in RF.
>>>>> The other method is to put on a smaller or larger diameter prop, which we
>>>>> can do in RF. The down line speed of the RF Evo is a bit too slow, but I
>>>>> haven’t messed with it, but it’s certainly possible to do so.  *I
>>>>> think the wing loading is too low and we need to add weight.  I could not
>>>>> find a place to do this.  Do you know where? *
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not at my home computer now, so I can’t give you guys my tweaks,
>>>>> but I can latter today if anyone wants them. I even had to go as far as
>>>>> changing the CG and batteries to get the feel I wanted.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So is it worth the fifty buck upgrade to 6.0? In my opinion without a
>>>>> doubt, but I don’t find the planes fly any better. What you are getting is
>>>>> two new great features. The first one is “trails”. You can now add a trail
>>>>> to your flight path that stays on the screen. You only thought you were
>>>>> flying in strait lines until you add trails.  *Great information.  I
>>>>> didn't know this.  I use to have the pattern land in the RF2 that was
>>>>> great.  I wonder if someone already created a runway with the actual box
>>>>> reference out there.  *
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The second is “rewind”. If you hold the reset button on the controller
>>>>> it will rewind the flight path. Just last night I used it a bunch. Fly a
>>>>> maneuver just a bit off…just rewind and do it again, instead of having to
>>>>> set up again for the maneuver. Gezzz, I sound like a RF salesman!*  I
>>>>> already got it so you won't get any comision.  *
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It’s a whole different subject, but the biggest question is “will a
>>>>> simulator help my pattern flying”? Long story short, it all depends on what
>>>>> you put into it and understand the limitations of a simulator. Personally,
>>>>> I have found it to be invaluable. I have about twenty real flights on the
>>>>> new Masters, but I would guess at least a hundred on the simulator. Winter
>>>>> has set in in the Pacific Northwest, so it’s pretty much simulator time
>>>>> until spring.  *Agree here too*.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, a couple of things I do. I have not had good luck using “keep
>>>>> ground in view”. I find the plane gets too small. I use “automatic zoom”
>>>>> almost all the time. You will not have ground reference, but it least you
>>>>> can see the plane. *I got same experience.  It is the only way to
>>>>> practice pattern in RF6.  Probably because is design to do more 3D and
>>>>> helis.* * Thanks, Vince *
>>>>>
>>>>> Pat
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> District 8
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:15 AM, kingconsulting <
>>>>> kingconsulting at mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah noticed that and found them. I think I need to adjust the throws
>>>>>> a little or some settings for me. It seemed too twitchy on low rates and
>>>>>> not as smooth. Possibly because I'm just not as experienced or used to that
>>>>>> style. Also need to look at the expo settings.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks again,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Robert King
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  On Nov 21, 2012, at 9:40 AM, Larry Diamond <webmaster at diamondrc.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   When I clicked on the link it didn’t show the versions of the
>>>>>> Genesis. In the search box(lower left), type Genesis and it will pull them
>>>>>> all up…****
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-
>>>>>> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of *Larry Diamond
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 21, 2012 10:16 AM
>>>>>> *To:* General pattern discussion
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Real Flight simulator questions****
>>>>>>  ** **
>>>>>>  I will only say that this Genesis Download shows every mistake just
>>>>>> like I do flying at the field.****
>>>>>>   ****
>>>>>>  http://www.knifeedge.com/forums/downloads.php?do=search****
>>>>>>   ****
>>>>>>  Here are a few versions of the Genesis to fit your need.****
>>>>>>   ****
>>>>>>  Hope this helps...****
>>>>>>   ****
>>>>>>  Happy Turkey Day all !!!!!!!****
>>>>>>   ****
>>>>>>  Larry Diamond****
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  *From:* kingconsulting <kingconsulting at mac.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *To:* General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 21, 2012 9:00 AM
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Real Flight simulator questions
>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Hi Vicente,****
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I'm new to pattern and just joined NSRCA so I'm probably not a good
>>>>>> one to help you here. Real Flight has an update to version 6.5. Not sure
>>>>>> that will help and actually the planes I fly I didn't notice too much of a
>>>>>> difference.****
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Most of the pattern planes on there don't seem right to me but then
>>>>>> I don't really know what I'm doing yet. The one I do fly (Osiris) isn't a
>>>>>> 2m one but is the one I practice with. It does seem pretty close to the
>>>>>> actual one that I have. You can get it here:****
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  http://www.knifeedge.com/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=14724****
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  There is also another that I wanted to try of the spark but I can't
>>>>>> get it to work on mine. It is here:****
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  http://www.knifeedge.com/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=17584****
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  That one is supposed to be a nice one. Would be curious if you can
>>>>>> get it to work. Or if there are any other ones that work good I would be
>>>>>> interested also. You might be gas so they may not help at all :)****
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Thanks,****
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Robert King****
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  On Nov 21, 2012, at 6:40 AM, "Vicente \"Vince\" Bortone" <
>>>>>> vicenterc at comcast.net> wrote:****
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>   Hello all,****
>>>>>>   ****
>>>>>>  It is that time of the year.  I got RF version 6.  I really don't
>>>>>> like the down-line speed,  it is not not realistic.  I have been using the
>>>>>> RF version 2 for many years and I was able to get fairly realistic with
>>>>>> that version.  Just checking if someone in the list is using this program
>>>>>> and been able to get more realistic pattern planes.   I got another
>>>>>> question.  The RF v2 does not want to work when using windows 7 or up.  Has
>>>>>> someone been able to run it?  If yes, please let me know how to fix it.
>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>   ****
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks and happy Thanksgiving to all,****
>>>>>>  Vicente "Vince" Bortone****
>>>>>>
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