[NSRCA-discussion] Rules Proposals

Sun Mar 18 09:17:37 AKDT 2012

that is a fair plan, thanks

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Del R
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 6:25 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules Proposals

HMMMmmm!!!  Why both having rules if they are only occasionally adhered to.
In fairness to all honorable contestants, rules should be honored whether
PATTERN police are present or not.  I sure would not want to bust my butt
spending the buckaroos and committing the time to be legal at any local or
regional or national event to know that some can show up to beat up on me
because they spent their time practicing, but not flying a legal plane.

I have never understood the desire for some to encourage hollow victories. 

    Del      

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From: John Gayer <mailto:jgghome at comcast.net>  

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Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 10:19 PM

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules Proposals

Arch,
I certainly was not objecting to you enforcing the weight rule at the Nats.
I'm with  you 100% on that and any other rule enforcement at the Nats you
can afford to do. You have to admit that your decision to weigh every plane
created a lot of "discussion" on this list.
Can't see anyone going to the Nats knowing they are going to get just a
tearsheet and a bunch of zeros for their efforts. Again, this is not to
imply you should be doing anything different, just that we should change the
rule to encourage participation in the future.
John

On 3/16/2012 7:55 PM, Archie Stafford wrote: 

Hey, all I did was decide to enforce an existing rule. Actually, I didn't
have to say a thing except for how it was going to be enforced. Frankly, if
I had the number of people available to strictly enforce every rule, I
would.   If nothing else my decision has at least sparked the debate about
the rule. It has never made sense to me to never enforce it. Personally I
think it needs to be left alone, but others don't. Even this year, no one is
saying you can't fly a heavy airplane. You just wont get to keep the scores
for that round. I seriously doubt someone with a real shot at winning would
show up with a heavy airplane anyway. People can even have their tear sheets
for the round. It just wont be listed in the results. 

Arch

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On Mar 16, 2012, at 9:48 PM, John Gayer <jgghome at comcast.net> wrote:

Point taken about having to serve notice that you are going to enforce a
rule at a local contest. Note that Arch had to do that for the Nats this
year and such a clatter did arise....

On 3/16/2012 6:53 PM, Dave Burton wrote: 

John, one issue about waive a rule notification in really bothers me in your
suggestion. Having to post in advance 30 days that a CD will enforce a rule
is counter to any other process I've seen. 

It becoming clear -eliminating the max weight rule is the only system that
really works. LOL

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Gayer
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 8:20 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules Proposals

This won't work very well, in my opinion. Who is going to the Nats if they
start out 5-10% behind? This does nothing to increase attendance and is
detrimental to operation of local contests. All it takes is an unhappy pilot
feeling he was home-towned protesting vociferously about the heavy airplane
that just beat him and demanding a weight check that might reverse the first
and second places. 

IF the CD denies the protest, you've lost a pilot. If you do a weight check
and it fails, then you've lost a different pilot. To prevent this, a CD must
waive the weight rules on his sanction which is not normally done now,
although it should be. So extra work and/or hassle for the CD and extra work
for scorekeeper/scorekeeping systems. For what gain? A rule that will not be
enforced locally and will keep pilots away from the Nats just as much as no
weight allowance at all. 

At the very least, preface the rule proposal with something like:
This weight rule will be enforced at the Nats. If a CD  chooses to include
this rule at a local contest, he must publicize that fact appropriately to
all potential attendees at least 30 days prior to the contest. 

At a local contest, this officially leaves us with no weight rule at all in
AMA classes. That's probably OK as we could reject on size if needed.
Personally I would only turn someone away if they brought a 42% Extra to fly
in Masters and maybe not even then...

Cheers
John

On 3/15/2012 7:54 AM, ronlock at comcast.net wrote: 

Hi All,

Here is a copy of another proposal for consideration by the Contest Board
along with the others that have been submitted.

This one does not disqualify a model for not meeting weight limits.  It
imposes a score penalty, but still allows the 

model to participate.

Ron Lockhart

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