[NSRCA-discussion] Falcon Carbon Fiber Electric Props

[Chris Moon]

My intention when I posted yesterday was to essentially bring light to 
what Jerry is saying.  The list rules say no business advertising. 
Period.  The individual involved runs a hobby store and has for years 
used the list as a means for free advertising.  If it was done in the 
spirit of "just helping out the guys" then wouldn't he offer to donate 
the profits to the NSRCA or some local charity? Are the profits donated 
to Tom Simes to help defray his personal expenses for providing the 
email list server for the NSRCA and us? No, the  profits go in his 
pocket. Case closed.

This is not about me, or Jerry or Maxx Products, it is about consistent 
abuse of the list rules with no consequences. A few years ago, Ihncheol 
innocently made a post about some business items he had on sale and was 
summarily grilled by many for making a business post on the list.  He 
apologized profusely and all is good, no harm, no foul.  In the current 
case, the individual does this free advertising often and with no 
remorse. Think back to props, carbon spinners, ARF kits he has on sale 
or will bring to a contest for you etc etc. Free advertising. He even 
said he "considered the pros and cons before posting" what that tells me 
is that he again knowingly knew his post was against the rules but did 
it anyways because there has never been any pushback.

The fact that I received several supporting emails yesterday off list 
thanking me for finally bringing this abuse to light tells me that 
people do notice and that everyone knows this is against the rules.  For 
the record, I am against any retail advertising via the email list as a 
tie in with KFactor advertising.  The email list is for discussion and I 
support the purity of that 100%.

I ask the offending party to please apologize to the NSRCA, Tom Simes, 
and the email list readers for his actions.  At that time I will support 
the KFactor and NSRCA by continuing to advertise monthly and write a 
check to NSRCA for $250 as a donation toward the cost of the NATS 
banquet - this is not about money, it about a level playing field and 
abuse of the list.

Chris


On 7/6/2012 8:18 AM, Budd Engineering wrote:
> F3A Unlimited already advertises in the K-Factor (as do several others, myself included).  Giving away free advertising isn't an incentive, it's retail welfare.  All we want is a level playing field to market our products on, giving away to someone else what I and others already pay for doesn't do that, nor will it do so in the future.
>
> Besides, there's other, better, web-based ways to get new product/ad info to interested members quickly that the NSRCA could provide to advertisers for a profit.  However, it costs $$ to make $$, and running NSRCA like a business is difficult with limited budgets and a near-requirement that most if not all jobs be filled by volunteers (a BIG "Thank You" to them BTW!!).
>
> Jerry
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 6, 2012, at 3:07 AM, "Ron Hansen" <rcpilot at wowway.com> wrote:
>
>> You would monitor it just like we monitor it now (someone complains to the
>> officers they investigate and the officers take the proper actions).  If
>> someone is found abusing the NSRCA list then the officers can temporarily or
>> permanently remove them from the list.
>>
>> Don't we want to incentives advertisers like F3A Unlimited to advertise
>> either on our website, K-Factor and/or mailing list???
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Budd
>> Engineering
>> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 12:06 AM
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon Carbon Fiber Electric Props
>>
>> Not attacking anyone here but do you (or anyone for that matter) want to be
>> the one tasked with monitoring and enforcing that?  What if it was once a
>> month? Or was only allowed for "new product announcements"?  It's really not
>> such a good idea, as an advertiser on the K-Factor I fully understand why
>> Chris took the position he did as he has a lot invested in his business.  I
>> also understand that Ron was really just trying to offer up something to
>> help some people out, not trying to cut into others business sales.
>>
>> I ran into a similar situation a few years back when a competitor (who ran
>> maybe 1 or 2 business sized ads a year in the K-Factor) sent in a letter to
>> one of the District VP's reminiscing about the passing of one of the good ol
>> boys from the 90's pattern scene and then spent the rest of his letter
>> shamelessly promoting his product (the word count ratio was about 10%
>> reminiscing to 90% product promotion).  It was basically a free
>> advertisement thinly disguised as a letter to the Editor.
>>
>> At the time I had run monthly 1/4 page ads in the K-Factor uninterrupted for
>> something 6-7 years in a row.  When I complained to the K-Factor ad manager
>> at the time about the unfairness of what had happened, the response I got
>> was along the lines of "well you can do the same thing, we'll publish it".
>> I wasn't particularly happy with that answer and decided then and there
>> (much like Chris did earlier today), to vote with my checkbook and cut way
>> back on my advertising.  My point is simply this, if you want people to
>> advertise in the K-Factor, then you have to approach it from a professional,
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