[NSRCA-discussion] Falcon Carbon Fiber Electric Props

Fri Jul 6 02:07:54 AKDT 2012

You would monitor it just like we monitor it now (someone complains to the
officers they investigate and the officers take the proper actions).  If
someone is found abusing the NSRCA list then the officers can temporarily or
permanently remove them from the list.

Don't we want to incentives advertisers like F3A Unlimited to advertise
either on our website, K-Factor and/or mailing list???

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Budd
Engineering
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 12:06 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon Carbon Fiber Electric Props

Not attacking anyone here but do you (or anyone for that matter) want to be
the one tasked with monitoring and enforcing that?  What if it was once a
month? Or was only allowed for "new product announcements"?  It's really not
such a good idea, as an advertiser on the K-Factor I fully understand why
Chris took the position he did as he has a lot invested in his business.  I
also understand that Ron was really just trying to offer up something to
help some people out, not trying to cut into others business sales.

I ran into a similar situation a few years back when a competitor (who ran
maybe 1 or 2 business sized ads a year in the K-Factor) sent in a letter to
one of the District VP's reminiscing about the passing of one of the good ol
boys from the 90's pattern scene and then spent the rest of his letter
shamelessly promoting his product (the word count ratio was about 10%
reminiscing to 90% product promotion).  It was basically a free
advertisement thinly disguised as a letter to the Editor.

At the time I had run monthly 1/4 page ads in the K-Factor uninterrupted for
something 6-7 years in a row.  When I complained to the K-Factor ad manager
at the time about the unfairness of what had happened, the response I got
was along the lines of "well you can do the same thing, we'll publish it".
I wasn't particularly happy with that answer and decided then and there
(much like Chris did earlier today), to vote with my checkbook and cut way
back on my advertising.  My point is simply this, if you want people to
advertise in the K-Factor, then you have to approach it from a professional,
business perspective.  Allowing some to use the organizational resources for
free (e.g. the eMail list in this case, or a thinly veiled ad/letter to a
District VP/K-Factor submission in my situation) that others are directly
helping to fund with their hard earned sales revenue is a short trip to a
reduced number of advertisers and a subsequent decline in ad revenue.  Once
you go down that
  slippery slope it's very hard to stop and turn around as advertisers tend
to have very long memories (I certainly do!).

That said, I'd like to encourage RVP to take out a few small ads in the
K-Factor periodically and make the products he carries available to all that
are interested.  My experiences with his business have been exceptional, as
has my experiences with Chris's company.  The competition would benefit us
all, as we as pattern consumers tend to need additional sources to purchase
the products we like and use!!

Just my honest opinion, back to working on my new Gaudius...

</stepping off the soapbox)

Thx, Jerry

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 5, 2012, at 5:20 PM, "Ron Hansen" <rcpilot at wowway.com> wrote:

> Why don't we let those who advertise in the K-Factor also advertise on
> a limited basis using the mailing list.
>
> Maybe 4 times per year???
>
> That would make it even more attractive to advertisers.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bob
> Richards
> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 4:06 PM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon Carbon Fiber Electric Props
>
> This whole thing has devolved into something unfortunate.
>
> Ron, I believe you acted with good intentions, but the rule, as has
> been pointed out, is clear. However, I think you have been chastised
> more than enough.
>
> The overall reaction, although there is no rule against that, has been
> IMHO excessive. C'mon, guys, does anyone think Ron wasn't acting as a
> pattern dude wanting to help others? There are probably not too many
> people here that have done as much to promote this hobby for as long as he
has.
>
> When I was active in pattern, it was the camaraderie that I looked
> forward to, not the banter of rules and "I'm going to take my ball and go
home".
> When did things change?
>
> JMHO.
>
> Bob R.
>
>
> --- On Thu, 7/5/12, Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> I was trying to help out pilots who were having trouble getting their
> airplanes below the 5000 gram limit that will be rigorously enforced
> at the Nats.  The tremendous weight saving of using the Falcon CF
> props could help them a lot.  I also thought the widespread use of
> Falcon CF props at the Nats would boost everyones' sales of Falcon
> props.  I should not have mentioned the price.
>
>
> However, due to the adverse reaction which has erupted, I will no
> longer be bringing Falcon props to the Nats to sell.
>
>
> Ron Van Putte
>
>
>
> On Jul 5, 2012, at 8:50 AM, Phil S. wrote:
>
>
> It looked to me more like a pattern dude trying to help fellow pilots
> than an "ad" for a retailer.  Just MHO...
>
>
>
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