[NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Another discussion topic relating to new FAIrules

[Dave Lockhart]

Ron,

 

I couldn't agree more!

 

Dave

 

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ronald Van
Putte
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Another discussion topic relating to
new FAIrules

 

In the absence of specific downgrades for smoothness and gracefulness, one
must do "impression judging" for smoothness and gracefulness.  That's
exactly what we have been trying to steer judging away from for years.

 

Ron

 

On Jan 31, 2012, at 9:37 AM, DaveL322 at comcast.net wrote:






There has never been guidance for s+g downgrades in AMA or FAI.....which is
why I have always advocated s+g should be eliminated from the judging
criteria.  Of course if I am mistaken about the goal of pattern being
precision aerobatics, then maybe s+g should be the only criteria.

I've never gotten an answer to this question.  How can a geometrically
perfect maneuver be outscored by a geometrically flawed maneuver?  Of course
with the new FAI scoring.....it would seem that geometrically perfect
maneuver might only be scored a 5.

Regards,

Dave

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Date: Tue, Jan 31, 2012 09:49
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Another discussion topic relating to new
FAIrules
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After thinking about this further, I wonder how the change in  ranking
affects anything.  Positioning has specific downgrades (2 point downgrade
for each 1/4 of the maneuver off center).  However, I am unaware of any
specific downgrades for smoothness and gracefulness.

 

Ron Van Putte

 

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From: Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>

Date: January 31, 2012 8:24:56 AM CST

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That's interesting.  I know #2. and #3. were in reverse order before.  I
don't remember a rules change vote on this.

 

Ron Van Putte

 

On Jan 31, 2012, at 8:19 AM, Bob Kane wrote:





FWIW, this is identical to to the ranking in the AMA Competition
regulations:

 

>From the current AMA document (RCA-12):

 

1. Precision of the maneuver.

2. Smoothness and gracefulness of the maneuver. 

3. Positioning or display of the maneuver.

4. Size or dimensions of the maneuver relative to the maneuvering area,
distance from the judges, and other maneuvers in the flight. 

 

The above criteria are listed in order of importance; however, all of them
must be met for a maneuver to be rated perfect. 

 

Bob Kane getterflash at yahoo.com

From: J N Hiller <jnhiller at earthlink.net>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> 
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 3:51 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Another discussion topic relating to new
FAIrules

 

I would have thought positioning rated a higher precision aerobatics.
Smoothness and gracefulness is polish.

Jim

 

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FAIrules

 

This will keep the list going (and the discussions too).  I recall Michael
Ramel clearly discussing the future of the rules during the judges training
at the World Championships at Muncie.  This was relating to smoothness and
gracefulness being directly related to constant speed.  The following
reflects what he discussed, as cited on page 35, and effect the way a score
is awarded:

 

Geometry:  50%

Smoothness and Gracefulness: 25%

Position of maneuver: 12.5%

Size of maneuver: 12.5%

Proportion of the maneuver outside the (box) in addition to above.

 

The specific, objective criteria used to judge smoothness and gracefulness
includes, "maintaining constant speed throughout various maneuver
components, like climbing and decending sections..."

 

Also the sentence about radii being very loose or very tight, even if equal
size within a maneuver, are grounds for downgrade of smoothness and
gracefulness.

 

Cheers,

Don

 


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