[NSRCA-discussion] Main battery redundant lead for receiver

Tue Jan 24 07:41:43 AKST 2012

Once again, abuse from the NSRCA leadership!!!

Actually, when you add in shipping and your time, $3.99 from Chris is a
good deal.  At $0.23 each, guys will want to order at least 5-10, then it
is a minimum of $2.99 shipping.  Once they arrive, you have to get out all
of your soldering stuff, then ruin a couple soldering them, taking up at
least an hour or more of your time (how much do YOU bill yourself for
professional services?). THEN when you're finally done you get to endure
the stress of whether you made some mistake like getting the polarity
reversed or soldering to three cells instead of two.

All of that to save what, $0.50?

There, is that schizophrenic enough for you, Scott?!?!?  No wonder I'm
losing my mind!!!

I'll be in my padded cell if you want to yell at me some more. . .

:-)

Keith Hoard
Collierville, TN
khoard at gmail.com

On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Scott McHarg <scmcharg at gmail.com> wrote:

> Keith,
>     Or you could continue to support people that support us like Chris!
> FINALLY, I get a chance to get a dig on you.  Go home and play with some
> more electricity buddy!  ;)
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 10:22 AM, Keith Hoard <khoard at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Or you can order them here for $0.23 each.
>>
>>
>> http://search.digikey.com/us/en/products/B6B-XH-A%28LF%29%28SN%29%3B/455-2271-ND/1000381
>>
>> Better hurry while supplies last, they only have 24,660 left.
>>
>>
>> Keith Hoard
>> Collierville, TN
>> khoard at gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Anthony Romano <anthonyr105 at hotmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>  Thanks everyone. So I will pick up another regulator from Ed and a
>>> JST-Xh connector from Chris. Power pack will be the main @ 6.3v and back up
>>> will be a 350mah 2s pack @ 6.0v. This wil allow me to add redunancy and
>>> cut a few grams.
>>>
>>> Anthony
>>>
>>>  ------------------------------
>>> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 10:01:34 -0600
>>> From: khoard at gmail.com
>>> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Main battery redundant lead for receiver
>>>
>>> Anthony,
>>>
>>>    On a typical flight, I'm guessing the radio only uses around
>>> 100-150Mah of power, while the motor is using 4000Mah, so that's about 4%
>>> more draw on those two cells.  In practice, I haven't been able to see any
>>> difference in the radio cells when I hook them up to my charger at the end
>>> of a flight.  Sometimes cells #1 & #2 are the high cells after a flight, so
>>> I think the power draw of the radio is negligible to our motor packs.
>>>
>>> The problem with two regulators plugged into the same 10S (or 5S) pack
>>> is that you are creating a dead short between the cells thru the ground
>>> wires (typically a straight wire thru the regulator).
>>>
>>> Say you plug Regulator #1 into cells #1&2, and Regulator #2 into cells
>>> #6&7.  The regulator's *ground *wires now have 5 cells of voltage
>>> potential (5 X 4.2V = 21Volts) between them since they are plugged into
>>> cells # 1 and #6.  When those two ground wires are then plugged into your
>>> receiver either thru a switch or direct connection the magic smoke will
>>> escape and your retailer will rejoice.
>>>
>>> Also, if you have both of your regulators plugged into your motor pack
>>> and the packs eject like Goose in Top Gun, you've lost both of your
>>> redundant power sources.  However, if you use a tiny 2S LiPo that is
>>> physically separated and secured inside your plane, you have both
>>> electrical and physical redundancy.
>>>
>>> Hmmm, just thought of something . . . maybe we should tie down the
>>> receiver so the main regulator can't take the receiver out with it. . . so
>>> many contingencies, so little weight . . .
>>>
>>> Keith Hoard
>>> Collierville, TN
>>> khoard at gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Anthony Romano <anthonyr105 at hotmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>  Seems like a great idea but I have two questions. Do the packs come
>>> down out of balance since two cells are serving extra load? Is there a
>>> problem with parallel operation of two regulators?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Anthony
>>>
>>>  ------------------------------
>>> From: joddino at socal.rr.com
>>> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 15:25:00 -0800
>>> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Main battery redundant lead for receiver
>>>
>>> I've been using this setup for sometime and it is working great.  I have
>>> my two cell LiPo charged to 7.5 volts and it is connected to a 6.0 volt
>>> regulator into the receiver.  The cable connected to the balance connector
>>> on the "bottom" 5S is connected to a 6.3 volt regulator so it supplies all
>>> the current to the system and the 2S pack never needs charging.  I'm using
>>> an 800 mAh pack but it could be even smaller.
>>>
>>> Jim O
>>>
>>>
>>>  On Jan 23, 2012, at 2:09 PM, Scott McHarg wrote:
>>>
>>> Guys,
>>>    Chris Moon just e-mailed me about some leads that were done at the
>>> factory.  These leads run off your balance leads to a voltage regulator and
>>> allow your main battery pack to be utilized as a redundant receiver
>>> battery.  It is NOT meant to be a primary but it will save 20+ grams if
>>> you're running 2 rx batteries.  You still have to run the 2nd regulator for
>>> true redundancy but you eliminate the 2nd battery.  These leads are factory
>>> made and eliminate the need to make them yourself with the concern about
>>> plugging in to the wrong cell.  I know in my article, I was pretty much
>>> against doing this as a backup but, with Chris having this made at the
>>> factory, he has all but eliminated making a mistake by tying to the wrong
>>> cell.  I have the link that I'll e-mail you off-list or you can just go to
>>> his website.  I don't want to break the NSRCA list rules by advertising for
>>> him even though he advertises with the NSRCA.  The leads are only $3.99
>>> each and are found under the Connectors/Adapters listing.
>>>
>>> Thank,
>>> Scott
>>>
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