[NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA candidate rules proposal survey is available

[Ron Hansen]

The survey states the BoD is interested in our feedback.  What if our
feedback isn't "I agree", "I disagree" or "I have no opinion".  Perhaps it
should have allowed for someone to make suggested changes to the proposed
language.

I don't think this list is the proper forum to suggest changes to the
proposed language.

Ron

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Scott McHarg
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 3:30 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA candidate rules proposal survey is
available

Gentlemen,
   As you can see from the forums, everyone of us has our own opinion.  The
BoD asked us to make "proposals".  These are not "the rules" nor are they
set in stone.  We came up with said proposals based on input from
individuals who took the time to email, phone and post their requests.  The
survey is doing exactly what it was meant to do, get everyone's opinion
based on what we laid out there.  If you don't like it, that's fine.  This
is simply a starting point.  The results of the survey will tell us whether
we are on, off or close to what our community wants.  Once the survey
finishes, the results will be taken back and, if needed, proposals amended.
I'd suggest that the results will indicate what percentile are in favor of
vs. those that are against.  I don't think any of you would expect everyone
that flies pattern to get in a room and try to formulate proposals based on
every single opinion in that room.  That would be a nightmare.
   The Board of Directors recognize that change is a *possibility* but not
necessarily warranted in all cases.  Again, that would be the purpose of the
focus group to try to get something done and out there for the community to
weigh in on.  At that point, the amended proposals are then taken to the BoD
for endorsement and then to the AMA Rules Committee which, in reality, is
the group that must find out if these proposals are realistic and what the
community wants.  AMA owns precision aerobatics, not the NSRCA and the NSRCA
does not make the rules.  The 5500g rule came from other development classes
that  are around the world i.e. France and South Africa who have implemented
said changes to their development classes.
MAYBE the number is off to an extent.  MAYBE we don't need that kind of
increase.  I guess that's what the survey will tell us.  I'd suggest telling
all that you know to get out there and take the survey if you feel strongly
about something.  This is how we begin the process.

Scott

On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Vicente "Vince" Bortone <
vicenterc at comcast.net> wrote:

> So is this a second survey?  I remember one few months ago and didn't
> have those proposals.  I am confused now.
>
> Vicente "Vince" Bortone
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dan Curtis &lt;warrior523 at att.net&gt;
> To: General pattern discussion
> &lt;nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org&gt;
> Sent: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 19:17:53 -0000 (UTC)
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA candidate rules proposal survey
> is available I was re-reading the post about the survey and am really
> having a problem with the 4th paragraph.  It says:
> The NSRCA BoD encourages your support in responding to the survey as
> the changes are believed to be appropriate for the continued growth
> and sustainment of AMA pattern.
>
> Is this actually saying that our board of directors is for the changes
> stated in the survey.  This is really hard to believe and even harder
> to fathom.
>
> Where did these "candidate rule proposals" come from?  Why the 5500
> gram weight rule?  Where did that one come from?  This whole thing
> seems strange and my goodness how many times have some of these
> isssues been hashed before?
>
> Dan Curtis
> ________________________________
> From: Scott McHarg <scmcharg at gmail.com>
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Fri, February 10, 2012 12:24:44 PM
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA candidate rules proposal survey is
> available The NSRCA Board of Directors (BoD), in consideration of
> NSRCA bylaws indicating that the NSRCA should take responsibility for
> making a consensus statement to the AMA Rules Committee on rules
> pertaining to Radio Control Aerobatics, has convened a Rules Proposal
> Committee.  The purpose of this committee is to prepare candidate rule
> proposals for endorsement by the NSRCA BoD.  The committee is chaired
> by Scott McHarg and its members include Jon Carter, John Gayer,
> Michael McEvilley, and Rick Sweeney.
>
> The NSRCA BoD requested the rules committee to craft proposals with a
> focus on safety and contestant participation concerns.  The rules
> committee was further requested to craft proposals in consideration of
> the varying and oftentimes conflicting opinions of the individuals
> that comprise the AMA pattern community, while recognizing that change
> is warranted. In response to NSRCA BoD direction, the rules committee
> has developed four (4) candidate proposals for endorsement by the
> NSRCA BoD.
>
> In the spirit reflected by the direction of the NSRCA BoD, this survey
> is offered to provide the AMA pattern community the opportunity to
> review, consider, and provide feedback by supporting or not supporting
> each of the candidate proposals to the NSRCA BoD.  This survey is not
> a vote; it is only a means for the NSRCA BoD to gather information to
> be used in making their final determination of those proposals to be
> endorsed by the NSRCA.
>
> The NSRCA BoD encourages your support in responding to the survey as
> the changes are believed to be appropriate for the continued growth
> and sustainment of AMA pattern.
>
> Finally, it should be understood that individual AMA members are free
> to submit commentary on these proposals to the AMA Contest Board, and
> are also able to submit individual proposals on the same topics as
> those endorsed by the NSRCA BoD.
>  This survey will be available until midnight March 1, 2012 and may be
> taken only once.  The survey is available at www.nsrca.us and you must
> be registered with the website and logged in but being a current
> member is NOT required.
> Thank you for your understanding and participation in this rules
> proposal survey.
> --
> Scott A. McHarg
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