[NSRCA-discussion] The NATS schedule has been published on theNSRCA website

Thu Jul 21 05:38:44 AKDT 2011

For a proper finals following the rules, FAI finalists pilots must generate
unknown schedules at the conclusion of the semifinals, and then a minimum of
12 hours must elapse prior to the start of the finals.

Scoring needs time to compute who the finalists are.  The finalists need to
be notified.  The unknown meeting must be scheduled.  The unknown meeting is
typically a rather lengthy process.  I expect it will be more lengthy for
2011 as there will be a number people in the room (both workers and pilots)
whom have not participated in an unknown meeting before.  

The earliest I can recall an unknown meeting concluding is 930....typically
it 10-1030.....and I've left at 11 without having full printouts of the
written and aresti call sheets.  Push this time schedule back because of a
late start (and late finish) in FAI, and you are looking at starting the
finals (which will be 40 flights with the required warmup flights for the
unknowns) at 12 or 1, finishing at 6-7 PM.  Leave FAI to the afternoon, and
you have put increased pressure on scoring to churn out results immediately,
as well as have them verified by NATs and AMA officials.

The past decision to fly FAI in the morning slot had everything to do with
logistics, very simple.

For myself, I do most of my practice in the evenings, and only fly in the
mornings at the NATs and local contests....so I'd rather fly in the
afternoon.  BUT - at the NATs, given the time considerations I've noted
above, I'd much rather fly in the mornings and not be in an unknown meeting
until midnight, and not be waiting for the finals to end at 7 pm.

Regards,

Dave Lockhart 

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Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 9:09 AM
To: mike mueller; General pattern discussion
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Seems like the last few years there was a TON of complaining that we (FAI)
always got to fly in the morning and there was a big push to go back to
alternating every other year.    I would argue if time constraints are the
concern, just start FAI/Advanced at 1:30 or 2pm.   The length of the day is
somewhat fixed :), so you're either going to run long in the morning, or run
long in the afternoon.

Personally I liked the morning slot as the winds were always calmer, but it
only seemed fair that masters get a shot at that for a change.

Lastly, with so many people being electric, and the shorter pattern, we're
finding at local events that total time per contestant is around 8.5 min...
May seem trivial, but with 24 pilots on each line, that cuts almost an hour
out of the program.
Mark Atwood
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On Jul 21, 2011, at 8:54 AM, mike mueller wrote:

 Really guys this decision goes way beyond a few people chiming in on this
list.
 I know of many guys who asked Rusty to let the Masters fly in the AM this
year. Since its a non team selection year it seemed like a good time to
switch.
 In my opinion any change now would involve some type of majority opinion
and of course the cooperation of Rusty who is trying very hard to improve
the Nats this year. I vote for change. I caan't see how its that big of a
deal. Mike

From: Archie Stafford
<astafford at md.metrocast.net<mailto:astafford at md.metrocast.net>>
To: General pattern discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 7:23 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] The NATS schedule has been published on
theNSRCA website Not really, just have to get Rusty to give the word.  It
would certainly make life a lot easier, especially on the FAI guys.  It is
conceivable that the FAI finals could have quite a few new faces who have
never been involved in an unknown meeting and they need to get started early
as the rules state there much be 12 hours from the unknown meeting until the
first flight, so getting it started early is best as with new faces it could
take significantly longer than it usually does.  Finishing FAI in the
morning gives them time to tabulate the scores and get the info posted to
get the unknowns meeting started early.  If Masters runs late in the
morning, it pushes everything back.  If it runs late in the afternoon, its
not near as big of deal.
Arch

On Thu 07/21/11 7:44 AM , Tim Taylor
timsautopro at yahoo.com<mailto:timsautopro at yahoo.com> sent:
No reason it can't be changed is there?

Tim--- On Wed, 7/20/11, Ronald Van Putte wrote:

From: Ronald Van Putte
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] The NATS schedule has been published on the
NSRCA website
To: "General pattern discussion"
Date: Wednesday, July 20, 2011, 7:58 PM

Based on the Master class entry list and the fact that the Master class is
flying in the morning, we should use up virtually every minute from 8:00
A.M. to noon, assuming 10 minutes per flight and very short judge potty
breaks.  I hope there's no rain delays.
Ron Van Putte
On Jul 20, 2011, at 2:08 PM, Derek Koopowitz wrote:
Thanks to Rusty for sending me the information.  Some locations/times may
change for the judging certification... stay tuned!
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